My Band Sucks !

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Hey everybody,

Didn't know where to stick this topic, so I put it under Newbies.

I have been playing guitar/bass/drums/singing and jumping in and out of bands for 10 years now.

I have had recording expereince and live show experience, etc. etc. and I feel that I am a decent songwriter and an intermediate level player. (Not beginner, but certainly not advanced by any means).

Here is my issue, and I was wondering how other bands get through this :

Due to the speed of the world these days, people are busy and have conflicting schedules and etc. so my band gets to practice once every week IF we are lucky.

After 1 year of this WE SUCK. Like I said, I feel I am an intermediate level player, but the other players are all beginners. I would have hoped by now we would be able to get some thing have way decent together.

I'm sticking to some easier to remember 12-bar blues 50's rock stuff, etc. but we still can't seem to get it together. My rythm guitarist seems to NOT be improving, and my drummer seems to think he should play vocal melody lines with his drums (it's wierd and irratating) or that the drums should be the loudest most up front instrument.

If I say a little constructive critisicm here and there, I could get away with it, but If I start coaching and trying to nitpick us into a tight band, feelings are going to get hurt, and I'm going to be label an a-hole.

Any body got some coaching tips for "new" bands ?

Are there pre-defined lessons we could get off the internet and study ?

I've heard of guitar lessons, but are there lessons for an entire band ?

Aybody else go through this awful awkward period ?


Sorry to rant, but I don't want to play music unless it's fun, and it's not going to be fun for me until my band it the tight well oiled machine that I am imagining in my head.
 
Screw playing in a band.... write your own tunes at home....
Find some good musicians (it takes time but they will come)

Then say this is what i have how can you make it better.....

It is no good if you are a song writer with a band that cannot add any creative input....

I've found playing with other "musicians" (and i do use that term loosely) that they cannot take criticism... a guitarist i am recording with at present..... great guitarist in a technical sense with speed etc.... but when it comes down to laying down a riff he thinks that the guitar has to carry the whole song a takes away from the other instrument.

Just my thoughts tho.. Good luck with it...
 
mattkw80 said:
I don't want to play music unless it's fun, and it's not going to be fun for me until my band it the tight well oiled machine that I am imagining in my head.

You're band might not be all that much fun, even if you get it to the well-oiled-machine status, if your standards are as high as it seems. That takes alot of hard, hard work, in equal parts, amongst people who are equally dedicated to their craft, and equally dedicated to the group as a whole.

My advice would be to get a recording setup at home to get the ideas and/or songs out. That will be extremely enjoyable and rewarding. Take the band as it is, or replace members as needed to find the formula.

Things that I like about my home studio(where I go it alone):

1. My gear is never late for rehearsal/recording
2. My gear doesn't have a needy girlfriend.
3. My gear doesn't have an ego.
4. My gear doesn't have any of it's own idea's about how my songs should be arranged.
5. My gear doesn't get fucked up before I jam.
6. If I don't feeling like playing on any given night, my gear isn't inconvenienced nor hit me with a guilt trip.

the list goes on, and on, and on......
 
My opinion:


Ask your members what they want out of the band.
They may only want to be in it for the music and not to actually be a success.
If thats the case, play with them anyway but write your own music on the side and try getting a "side project" that has people who want the same as you.

Im in both kinds of bands..one band is just simply for fun...no ambition to sign with a label or anything...the other is more serious.

Practicing one day a week is better than nothing...but again..if you are the only one that wants to be more than just a garage band, the other members may only want to do it once a week.

In the end, it comes down to how lucky you are in finding people that have the same dream and musical taste as you do. Good luck....

I would suggest writing and recording your own music if you dont feel happy with your live bands performance..ie computers can do EVERYTHING except make the song(or can they?) Drums/bass/guitar/vox can all be synthesized now..making it easier to get the song out of your head and into your ears.
 
Time to jump again. I give it a year and if it's not working, I just tell them I'm done rehearsing, ready to play out and to book something. Of course no one will book anything, so it's a nice way to quit.

I've had the same problem where I'd do all this practicing and learning of music on my own only to find the other dudes only work at it during rehearsals. Screw that, rehearsing is for rehearsing not for learning basics.

I go to N'orlins a couple times a year and just sit in with other musicians on the streets. You'd be surprised how tight you can be with total strangers, no work, no coaching, just plain fun.

If you want tight then start doing some homerecording but you have to be careful because someday you may wake up to find out you're not a musician anymore but an Audio Engineer :eek:
 
WOW !

Thanks to everybody here for th excellent insight.

I can tell you all know exactly what I am talking about.

The common denoimnator in all of your responses was this :
Record by myself, because thats something I can be happy with.

And your right, thanks very much.

Matt
 
I can offer this advice from experience. Record your rehearsals and play them back while all members are present. The suckness will be obvious and the offenders will hang their heads in shame. lol, trust me. Recording and listening to rehearsals it one of the best learning tools available. Most musicians dont like to be criticised by others, but when they hear themselvs suck, they suddenly humble up.
 
Amped said:
I can offer this advice from experience. Record your rehearsals and play them back while all members are present. The suckness will be obvious and the offenders will hang their heads in shame. lol, trust me. Recording and listening to rehearsals it one of the best learning tools available. Most musicians dont like to be criticised by others, but when they hear themselvs suck, they suddenly humble up.

Excellent advice!!!
 
I am pretty new to the recording field (as an engineer wanna-B), but have been playing in rock bands for about 20 years. Your answer might be, run an ad in the local Musician Rag magazine and hook up with others who have "about" the same goals and expectations you have. Either you'll get in with a better group of guys, or,,, maybe it will light a fire under these guys asses in which you have onboard now.

The band I am with now (www.fusedrocks.com), we play out and even open for some national acts in the past, but STILL have alot of the same ongoing band issues that you talk about:

Lack of dedication
Constant bitchin and complainin about picking and learning and then NOT learning then anyway ( I counted today and we learned about 92 tunes in the last year, and only kept about 55 of them) :confused:
Not enough time
Those who can take or leave makin it to practice ,,,let alone make it on time
Those who talk the talk,,,,until the gfriends legs open, then the band comes second place
etc etc..

Like I said I have been playing for many many years,,,,and in this band (of only 2 years) I have a newB guitarist (good musician, but not a lot of stage experience) but he tries to run the show and 2nd guesses everything the veteran musicians suggest.. Talk about getting frustrated!! But we survive. I have learned to deal with the egos and rockstar wannaB attitudes,,,,Its all part of the game!!!

I just went out and bought out a Studio in Florida along with thousands of dollars in other recording gear (7 ADATS - HD24 - Masterlink 9600 - 3 different mixing consoles (1-32 Ch & 2-24 Ch) plus new Mics (a shitload of them), a bunch of outboard gear, compressors (9 of them), a bunch of the latest digital recording software (cakewalk, Cubase, Reason) to cover that type of recording also, plus anything else I could think of (I was fortunate and had a lucky money streak come through for me) Anyway, these guys decided we were going to produce and record originals, and also do our own demos. I was pumped up!!
So I went out and bought all this stuff myself, then soon as it all was in place (also in a studio I just built for the band) 2 of the guys decided they now were not into doing recording at this point. They now didnt feel as though they were ready, nor have the time. We burnt 1 quick 2 day CD Demo with 8 cover tunes on it when this decision was suddenly made. :mad:

Now,,,wanna talk about frustration!!.. :eek: :mad: :eek: :mad:

By the way,,,anyone on here from the PA area who wants to put a recording project together, let me know. I have all the gear. (and I play Keyboards and run 7 synths,,,mostly Korg Tritons)

So...as you can see, your situation isnt a stand alone one at all. Although playing out is alot of fun, it comes with putting up with alot of shit to get there.

In closing I will also say that those on here who suggest "doing your own thing and get into recording", I must admit, it grabbed onto me quick and I think I could get used to recording over playing out in a band anymore. I LOVE it!! Hell I am recording some area bands now for free, just to play with the toys! :D :D (and they are lovin that!) :D :D

Continue your band road until its not fun anymore, then venture down other avenues. You'll find where you belong. At least thats my outlook.

And if this recording dosent pan out for me, then watch out Ebay cause there is going to be a HUGE recording equipment, Live Sound Reinforcement PA equipment, and DMX Light Show Equipment sale (plus a ton of instruments)!! :D :D :eek:

Peace & Good Luck
AJ - www.fusedrocks.com
 
newatthis said:
So...as you can see, your situation isnt a stand alone one at all. Although playing out is alot of fun, it comes with putting up with alot of shit to get there.

When you discover that you are playing live to have people that don't know shit about music critique you and compare you to whatever they're hearing on the radio, you too will realize that the ego stroke isn't all that important anymore.
 
Choose who you want to play with. Don't try to change people to suit your needs. It's like buying a Chrysler Caravan because you wanted a convertible. Of course you can axe the roof, modify the trunk, etc, and end up with a convertible, but it'll be a difficult task and you will run into big chances of ruining it.
 
I've had the same problem, I always end up with beginners when I am not one. It's frustrating, I know. To keep my mind off of wanting to play with real people, I'm starting to produce electronic music by myself. I can only play guitar and bass, and drum machines that try to emulate real drummers have never worked for me.

Since you play guitar, bass, drums, sing, and write songs, I'd say do it yourself, and then eventually some players who are as experienced as you will come along.

Finding good band members is like finding a good girlfriend, except there are more people to find, and they don't bitch and whine as much (usually). It takes time, but it will happen.

BTW, I'm still waiting for band members *hint hint* in the CT of MA area ;)
 
I say, start a band with you as the leader.....don't invite anyone to be in it.....invite some to learn songs and play shows with you, then after playing with them a few times, if you like them, keep them (ask them to become part of the band). Now I realize not everyone will want to do this for you, but it's a whole lot better than inviting someone to the inside, realizing they suck, and trying to kick them out. And geez louise, i can find alot of decent lead guitarist, but where are all the good lead guitarist who can also sing good bgv's?
 
A funny quote from newatthis

"Those who talk the talk,,,,until the gfriends legs open"

HAHAHA thats the truth....
 
Sorry to say, if you want success sometimes you have to be an A-hole if you believe its best for the band. The most successful band I was with practiced 5 days a week for 3-4 hours. We could anticipate each others moves in a heartbeat. Why? Because our guitarist was a GIT grad and a perfectionist. He was also ruthless. It spread. Soon we were all perfectionists and it got us a record deal. (Never mind why that fell to the floor.) It was hard work, but that's what this is about. The most successful groups always have a someone or a few people who push the rest. If you can't keep up, you lose and your out! If the whole band won't go along, time for a new one.

Wish every band I was in was like that. Then I wouldn't feel like a wash-out.

Its depressing to look back and think how things could have been. Take the step!
 
If your not enjoying it, and the bands crap then leave the band.

Say something about it's been a rough few weeks, and its not them, its you. They're great and your just an asshole. They dererve much better than you, and you still want to be friends but i understand if you dont ever want to see me again. And no there isn't another band.

:D wow, that came out waaaaaaay to easily :eek:
 
drummerdude666 said:
If your not enjoying it, and the bands crap then leave the band.

Say something about it's been a rough few weeks, and its not them, its you. They're great and your just an asshole. They dererve much better than you, and you still want to be friends but i understand if you dont ever want to see me again. And no there isn't another band.

:D wow, that came out waaaaaaay to easily :eek:

That's also the best way to break up with a girl! Funny how its the same thing... :D
 
mattkw80 said:
Sorry to rant, but I don't want to play music unless it's fun, and it's not going to be fun for me until my band it the tight well oiled machine that I am imagining in my head.
If it isn't fun your missing the point.

But, let me tell ya...

About a two years ago I picked up my bass for the first time in six or seven years. Point blank, I sucked. But I decided to join a band anyway. A little over a year ago I answered an ad in a local music shop and hooked up with this gawd awful lead guitar player. Well he was actually decent at the time, more on that later. We found a competent rhythm guitar player and a very good Jazz drummer, and apparently he already had some pretty phenominal singer lined up. He just couldn't get in touch with him within the last year and a half (he was never very good at reading between the lines). Well, here's the line up as it is now. A 19 year old lead guitar player who's into Metallica, Slayer, Megadeath, and various Hard Core; A 25 year old bass player who's into Sublime, Korn, Tool, and various alternative bands, who also hates almost everything 80's; A 38 year old drummer who is really into Rush and Priest; and a 48 year old rythm guitar player into mostly Stones and Beatles. Got any ideas about band dynamics?

Don't jump to conclusions just yet. It gets worse.

Another rhythm guitar player answers the same ad, (who btw was better than our current lead guitar player). Anyway, he was really into Maiden, I mean really into Maiden. He has all their albums, DVDs, VHS, Audio casettes, knows every part to every song note for note etc. So this is about two months after we already had a rythm guitar player and this genius of a band "leader" decided to put everybody in the same room to "See what people do". Man, I was PISSED. If just replacing somebody who isn't doing anything wrong, can play his instrument, no real ego, wasn't enough, he brought both of them down to our practice spot to "see what people do". That takes a lot of nerve. I was pissed.

But, there the band split into two groups. Sort of a classic rock cover band, and a classic metal cover/original band and I'm sort of stuck in between and ended up playing for both. I liked playing with these old foggies, we'd just jam for hours on end. The cover music I didn't really care for, but it was just fun to play. On the other hand, Eric (the Maiden dude) had some really good original material, and I really did like playing with him and he was a really nice guy. (Oh by the way, neither me, Eric, or Axle has ever been in a real band before.) I don't want to use the real name of this lead guitar player, so I'll just call him Axle.

Enter a new singer. Well, he was Okay. Very dedicated. He could stay in key for the most part and had some good grit. We liked some of the same music, but he was sort of a little back stabber. He'd talk sh!t about me behind my back and he'd talk about the other two to me. Still not as bad as Axle though. Ok so now we have a singer but no drummer. How often does that happen?! This new singer was also a drummer and he was playing for us to try and get us tight. He made us a deal. If we find a singer before we find a drummer, he'll drum. He was an extremely good drummer with good stick control and a metronome's sense of time, so me and eric tightened up pretty well, Axle never payed attention to anything except what he was playing. I was about fed up with this situation, and it was really draining. I actually grew to resent practice and the classic rock band didn't really like me playing for another band, so they're on my case about it. They said it's either them or us. I picked them. Mostly because they put me in that situation, and it really wasn't going anywhere anyway. Also, Got The Life by Korn came on the radio and I had so much fun jamming with it and figured I had to find a band who will play it. I was going to quit both bands and find one that liked the same music that I did.

Fate hit.

Enter Shawn. Well remember that phenominal singer that Axle kept telling us about. Well, here he is. Tonedeaf, Mickey Mousy falsetto and insisted on staying there. Despite all that, I heard nothing but potential. Really. I heard one of the greats in the making. He sucked at the time, but so did everybody else (except for eric, he was merely good). But, there was something.

We called our singer/drummer's bluff and he really didn't want to go back to drumming. He's just been there and done that and wanted to front so he quit a couple of jams later. Once again, a singer and no drummer.

Well shawn new this drummer who lived about two hours away and figured let's see if he's any good. He wasn't. Though to his credit he hasn't even touched a pair of drum sticks in over two years, but Axle was impatient and said he was our drummer. He had potential though if he worked at it and was a great personallity to have in a band. I'd take him just for that. No ego, no attitude, and generally somebody I'd just want to hang out with. The only problem is, he didn't have time to work on his chops, and I don't think Axle really made him want to find time either. The first time I jammed with him, I basically threatend to quit the band. But I figured I'd see where things go. Well, we jammed with him for two weeks and decided to finally book something. Yeap. We have a full line up for two weeks and already set a date. He had four weeks to learn Hallowed Be Thy Name and The Trooper by Iron Maiden, Creeping Death and Fade to Black by Metallica, and three of our originals. Keep in mind that I'm still not really into this band so I still only have a rough idea about how these songs go, our singer doesn't know the words, and Axle is playing all of these in double time. Two weeks till show time. I still only have a rough idea about how these songs go, our drummer doesn't know the songs at all, and our singer only really knows the melodies to these songs.

Ok, time to kick it into gear. I found six hours a day to practice with jam tapes, shawn miraculously learned most of the words to the covers and could fake the rest, and our drummer actually at least knew the structures. We get on stage in front of what was actually a good turn out for that club and put our thing down. I was particularly nervous as I had a little intro to start off the set. They went NUTS. Really, WOOOOSH of applause and yeahs and screams. I couldn't beleive it. Heads actually turned.

Now all of this happened within about four or five month of answering that ad that brought me into the music business and I haven't even got a lable yet:).

Enter Jim

After that show our drummer quit (tired of Axle) and the drummer from the headline band that night offered to play with us. We had already booked another show at that venue and were out a drummer so we said sure. He picked up the songs within a couple weeks and we had two more songs written, by Axle. Axle didn't want Eric to bring any songs to the table, so we were all stuck working on bad songs. But I liked the Metallica songs and Hallowed (which we still get good responses from) and with Jim, we were more on the way up. Eric finally got to bring something musical to the table, and these were really good songs. I've never liked that 80's sound, but I like these melodic but edgy riffs and unique lyrics. Shawn had some really good lyrics going and could hum riffs and stuff. When we'd get to practice early we'd have fun jamming until axle showed up. Some of our best songs were written then.

Exit Axle
Well we've been together for a few months and his playing and writing just kept getting worse and worse. Basically all he cared about was flying a million miles an hour, and he got really choppy, his timing was worse than it ever was. Serously, our first demo was just, well BAD. I figured it would be, so I made sure it would be done on my four track cassette recorder, to nix the idea of actually paying for studio time. I didn't want anything to do with paying $200/day waiting for him to finally hand eric his guitar. He was so off time parts of the songs just sounded like a bunch of noise. And that was when he was turned down in the mix. Which by the way, I never heard the end of.

When it came time for our second demo is when I went all out and got some good recording gear, mics, etc... He ran soooooo much feedback through it I could have shot him.

Anyway

When shawn asked him to not play leads while he was singing. My God, I have never seen anybody pick a fight so quickly over four bars. I mean seriously, this is how bad it got. He's always had a bit of a temper, but he was about to punch shawn. Both me and shawn were about to leave and start our own band if this all kept up and after this little display, it was the last straw.

We're not playing with him anymore and now we're playing better than ever. Shawn's become a pretty amazing singer, Eric has turned into the next Adrien Smith. Unfortunately, I've been spending so much time learning my way around recording gear that I've been running flat. (But so far the drum tracks are sounding absolutely spectacular.) I can still keep up with out any real strain. But that will change once our cd is done.

Anyway-- The moral of the story is you never really know what is going to come next. Being a dick about stuff will only yeild resentment, but a good kick in the ass or a sense of urgency may be a good thing. I hate to say it, but rushing into that first gig was probably the best thing that has ever happened to this band. So much has come from it.

As far as getting tight, it just takes time and repitition. Just go over your set twice when you can practice. And keep in mind that there really is no such thing as a perfecly tight band. What you hear from the front house speakers is often helped by the sound guy and just the pure volume. If you listen closely enough, you'll hear the timing issues, even with bands that have been playing together for twenty years. But if you've been playing for ten years you've probably already considered that.

Back in high school, when I was first learning how to play bass, I really never knew what it really meant to be tight. All my jazz band teacher had to tell me is when he hits that drum, you play that note. And then it just sort of clicked. Just saying the right thing may be all that's needed.

Well I've been rambling for quite some time now and need to go to bed. But I hope that helps some.
 
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Kryptik said:
If it isn't fun your missing the point.

But, let me tell ya...

About a two years ago I picked up my bass for the first time in six or seven years. Point blank, I sucked. But I decided to join a band anyway. A little over a year ago I answered an ad in a local music shop and hooked up with this gawd awful lead guitar player. Well he was actually decent at the time, more on that later. We found a competent rhythm guitar player and a very good Jazz drummer, and apparently he already had some pretty phenominal singer lined up. He just couldn't get in touch with him within the last year and a half (he was never very good at reading between the lines). Well, here's the line up as it is now. A 19 year old lead guitar player who's into Metallica, Slayer, Megadeath, and various Hard Core; A 25 year old bass player who's into Sublime, Korn, Tool, and various alternative bands, who also hates almost everything 80's; A 38 year old drummer who is really into Rush and Priest; and a 48 year old rythm guitar player into mostly Stones and Beatles. Got any ideas about band dynamics?

Don't jump to conclusions just yet. It gets worse.

Another rhythm guitar player answers the same ad, (who btw was better than our current lead guitar player). Anyway, he was really into Maiden, I mean really into Maiden. He has all their albums, DVDs, VHS, Audio casettes, knows every part to every song note for note etc. So this is about two months after we already had a rythm guitar player and this genius of a band "leader" decided to put everybody in the same room to "See what people do". Man, I was PISSED. If just replacing somebody who isn't doing anything wrong, can play his instrument, no real ego, wasn't enough, he brought both of them down to our practice spot to "see what people do". That takes a lot of nerve. I was pissed.

But, there the band split into two groups. Sort of a classic rock cover band, and a classic metal cover/original band and I'm sort of stuck in between and ended up playing for both. I liked playing with these old foggies, we'd just jam for hours on end. The cover music I didn't really care for, but it was just fun to play. On the other hand, Eric (the Maiden dude) had some really good original material, and I really did like playing with him and he was a really nice guy. (Oh by the way, neither me, Eric, or Axle has ever been in a real band before.) I don't want to use the real name of this lead guitar player, so I'll just call him Axle.

Enter a new singer. Well, he was Okay. Very dedicated. He could stay in key for the most part and had some good grit. We liked some of the same music, but he was sort of a little back stabber. He'd talk sh!t about me behind my back and he'd talk about the other two to me. Still not as bad as Axle though. Ok so now we have a singer but no drummer. How often does that happen?! This new singer was also a drummer and he was playing for us to try and get us tight. He made us a deal. If we find a singer before we find a drummer, he'll drum. He was an extremely good drummer with good stick control and a metronome's sense of time, so me and eric tightened up pretty well, Axle never payed attention to anything except what he was playing. I was about fed up with this situation, and it was really draining. I actually grew to resent practice and the classic rock band didn't really like me playing for another band, so they're on my case about it. They said it's either them or us. I picked them. Mostly because they put me in that situation, and it really wasn't going anywhere anyway. Also, Got The Life by Korn came on the radio and I had so much fun jamming with it and figured I had to find a band who will play it. I was going to quit both bands and find one that liked the same music that I did.

Fate hit.

Enter Shawn. Well remember that phenominal singer that Axle kept telling us about. Well, here he is. Tonedeaf, Mickey Mousy falsetto and insisted on staying there. Despite all that, I heard nothing but potential. Really. I heard one of the greats in the making. He sucked at the time, but so did everybody else (except for eric, he was merely good). But, there was something.

We called our singer/drummer's bluff and he really didn't want to go back to drumming. He's just been there and done that and wanted to front so he quit a couple of jams later. Once again, a singer and no drummer.

Well shawn new this drummer who lived about two hours away and figured let's see if he's any good. He wasn't. Though to his credit he hasn't even touched a pair of drum sticks in over two years, but Axle was impatient and said he was our drummer. He had potential though if he worked at it and was a great personallity to have in a band. I'd take him just for that. No ego, no attitude, and generally somebody I'd just want to hang out with. The only problem is, he didn't have time to work on his chops, and I don't think Axle really made him want to find time either. The first time I jammed with him, I basically threatend to quit the band. But I figured I'd see where things go. Well, we jammed with him for two weeks and decided to finally book something. Yeap. We have a full line up for two weeks and already set a date. He had four weeks to learn Hallowed Be Thy Name and The Trooper by Iron Maiden, Creeping Death and Fade to Black by Metallica, and three of our originals. Keep in mind that I'm still not really into this band so I still only have a rough idea about how these songs go, our singer doesn't know the words, and Axle is playing all of these in double time. Two weeks till show time. I still only have a rough idea about how these songs go, our drummer doesn't know the songs at all, and our singer only really knows the melodies to these songs.

Ok, time to kick it into gear. I found six hours a day to practice with jam tapes, shawn miraculously learned most of the words to the covers and could fake the rest, and our drummer actually at least knew the structures. We get on stage in front of what was actually a good turn out for that club and put our thing down. I was particularly nervous as I had a little intro to start off the set. They went NUTS. Really, WOOOOSH of applause and yeahs and screams. I couldn't beleive it. Heads actually turned.

Now all of this happened within about four or five month of answering that ad that brought me into the music business and I haven't even got a lable yet:).

Enter Jim

After that show our drummer quit (tired of Axle) and the drummer from the headline band that night offered to play with us. We had already booked another show at that venue and were out a drummer so we said sure. He picked up the songs within a couple weeks and we had two more songs written, by Axle. Axle didn't want Eric to bring any songs to the table, so we were all stuck working on bad songs. But I liked the Metallica songs and Hallowed (which we still get good responses from) and with Jim, we were more on the way up. Eric finally got to bring something musical to the table, and these were really good songs. I've never liked that 80's sound, but I like these melodic but edgy riffs and unique lyrics. Shawn had some really good lyrics going and could hum riffs and stuff. When we'd get to practice early we'd have fun jamming until axle showed up. Some of our best songs were written then.

Exit Axle
Well we've been together for a few months and his playing and writing just kept getting worse and worse. Basically all he cared about was flying a million miles an hour, and he got really choppy, his timing was worse than it ever was. Serously, our first demo was just, well BAD. I figured it would be, so I made sure it would be done on my four track cassette recorder, to nix the idea of actually paying for studio time. I didn't want anything to do with paying $200/day waiting for him to finally hand eric his guitar. He was so off time parts of the songs just sounded like a bunch of noise. And that was when he was turned down in the mix. Which by the way, I never heard the end of.

When it came time for our second demo is when I went all out and got some good recording gear, mics, etc... He ran soooooo much feedback through it I could have shot him.

Anyway

When shawn asked him to not play leads while he was singing. My God, I have never seen anybody pick a fight so quickly over four bars. I mean seriously, this is how bad it got. He's always had a bit of a temper, but he was about to punch shawn. Both me and shawn were about to leave and start our own band if this all kept up and after this little display, it was the last straw.

We're not playing with him anymore and now we're playing better than ever. Shawn's become a pretty amazing singer, Eric has turned into the next Adrien Smith. Unfortunately, I've been spending so much time learning my way around recording gear that I've been running flat. (But so far the drum tracks are sounding absolutely spectacular.) I can still keep up with out any real strain. But that will change once our cd is done.

Anyway-- The moral of the story is you never really know what is going to come next. Being a dick about stuff will only yeild resentment, but a good kick in the ass or a sense of urgency may be a good thing. I hate to say it, but rushing into that first gig was probably the best thing that has ever happened to this band. So much has come from it.

As far as getting tight, it just takes time and repitition. Just go over your set twice when you can practice. And keep in mind that there really is no such thing as a perfecly tight band. What you hear from the front house speakers is often helped by the sound guy and just the pure volume. If you listen closely enough, you'll hear the timing issues, even with bands that have been playing together for twenty years. But if you've been playing for ten years you've probably already considered that.

Back in high school, when I was first learning how to play bass, I really never knew what it really meant to be tight. All my jazz band teacher had to tell me is when he hits that drum, you play that note. And then it just sort of clicked. Just saying the right thing may be all that's needed.

Well I've been rambling for quite some time now and need to go to bed. But I hope that helps some.


WOW, good story!

Sounds very close to my last 14 years of being a musician, minus the wife and the bassist behind my back thing, lol.

It's hard to find good musicians these days, our biggest problem here is finding drummers and bassists. Everybody wants to be a guitarist (including me).

I have been working on a album by myself for over a year now...THEN, I will find the right musicans.

PS. The Self-titled and LIP kill anything they have done since then, sorry.
 
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