My 2 cents on the Groove Tubes MD-1B

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Alright, fellas . . .


After playing with this thing for a while, and basically using it wherever possible on a session this afternoon . . .

This is a VERY colored mic. So much so that I don't know that I would recommend it as a general-purpose type. This would be more of a specialty mic to use only when you want a specific sound.

People are either going to love this thing or they're going to hate it, and I don't see where there's going to be much room in-between. Especially based on the kinds of mics I see people talking about on this forum . . . this thing sounds nothing like what most of you guys are used to. Most of the talk around here seems to be centered around mics that have a healthy dose of high-end sizzle / bump -- or at least a moderate one. Thing is, for most vocal chores, the MD-1B is likely going to require some EQ manipulation to get the kind of presence you're going to need for most vocal tracks to cut through. That's pretty much a given.

In that regard, I can see where some might find this a "dull" or muddy-sounding mic. To a guy like me, however, these would be the guys who are basically missing the point. :D

In short, I happen love the way this mic sounds. It's got an element of richness and velvet-like lushness, and . . . and it absolutely baffles my mind that some of you guys were able to score this thing for 300 bucks. I want to come over and beat you silly for that right now, alright? If you can't guess, I'm kinda' pissed that I missed out on the Musiciansfriend deal now -- Thanks, Big Kenny. :D

It seems as though this particular mic was designed in such a way as to sound as much like a "tube" mic as possible. Maximum care seems to have been taken to ensure that you can hear the tube's impact in the form of obvious colorations (mild distortion, etc.). And it's a very nice and pleasing coloration at that -- at least to my ears. I don't mind the relative lack of detail at all. In fact, I love it for that very fact. I have EQ strips . . . EQ plugins, etc. etc. and I know how to use them, if necessary. I like the idea of being able to dial in the amount of high end I want -- rather than having the designers deside that for me ahead of time.

From everything I've heard of the original MD-1B, it sounds like they (Groove Tubes / Alesis / Aspen Pittman or whomever) made every attempt to faithfully replicate that sound with the newer models. From what I gather, Matthew Sweat was a heavy user of the orginal MD1-B . . . on everything from overheads to vocals to guitar, etc. If you ever get a chance to hear the album "Girlfriend," that might give you an idea as to this mic's character. Particularly on the vocal tracks, you can actually get a hint of what the mic brings to the table; I've heard they didn't use a lot of processing for his voice on that particular album.

In summary: A unique and colorful sound. Very pronounced tube sound and coloration. Smooth and rich with tons of even-order harmonics. I absolutely love it. You'll either love it like I do -- or you'll hate it. I don't envision many neutral opinions on it.
 
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I'm glad you liked it Keith. I have pretty much the same take on it, although I have not had the experience with the older tubes with which to compare it. It is refreshing adding a little 5k & 12K instead of rolling it off. I really like what it does to my vocal on bluesier stuff.
A big thanks to mike (formerlyfzfile) . thanks to him I got a credit from musicians friend for $100, the mic only cost me $199 and I got free shipping. They and mike are my new best friends
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Big Kenny
 
Big Kenny said:
A big thanks to mike (formerlyfzfile) . thanks to him I got a credit from musicians friend for $100, the mic only cost me $199 and I got free shipping.


I don't think I like you guys very much anymore.


:mad:
 
I promise if I wind up hating mine you'll get first right of refusal.
 
It is just "what seemed like a good idea at the time" It looks cool, hooks up like the NTK, and does absolutely nothing to isolate the capsule from bumpage. What's the problem?
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BK
 
Nice Big K.

Glad to help out.

Sorry Chess.
But hey, havn't you alway longed for that classic FET sound.
You could get one of those and tell us how much you love it and then we could be the jealous ones. :D

I think you nailed it in better terms than I put it, with regaurds to the mics sound.

"rich sounding" is a great descriptor.

I cant say anything about how "tube-y" it is because this is the only tube mic I've ever used.

I really like the less hyped sound.
I like my CAD E-200 for the unhyped sound, though that definitely is more neutral/uncolored, though not nearly as full sounding.

I didn't like my MXL V93 for the presence spike it had although now in hindsight I guess having that would have at least given me that flavor if I ever needed it.

With that mic though I was always cutting some in the high end and like Big K said... its nice to have a mic that a little boost will add to.
I find it takes EQ pretty well too.

The only thing, Chess, that I would differ from you in your run down is that you mention the mic as having a lack of detail.
I dont find that at all.
Maybe I am improperly terming what I think of as detail but I find that, at least on guitar, I can play dense chords or chords with an overdrive sound and the mic really picks up the indivdual notes very well and has a lot of what I would describe as detail in especially the lower midrange.

When you desribe detail, are you refoerring to the lack of presence as a vocal mic???

I am curious because you have much more experience than me and I'd like to know if maybe I am describing what I am hearing improperly.

Thanks.

-mike
 
I guess I just mean detail in relative terms.

Compared to something like an Audio Technica 4050, it doesn't have that sharp-as-a-knife clarity and reality to it. At least in my opinion.

A lot of it depends on how hard it's driven, too, so I'd imagine an accoustic guitar wouldn't drive it anywhere near it's fuzz point. That's one of the things I really like about it -- it's reactive (to input) the same way a guitar amp would be.
 
what about the FET version? seems like they still have some of those for $199.

are they comparable... or worse.? sounds like an awesome mic.

i trust the chessrock opinion, we seem to share many values when it comes to mics..
 
You will have to buy one and send it to him.
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Big
 
Big Kenny said:
thanks to him I got a credit from musicians friend for $100, the mic only cost me $199 and I got free shipping. They and mike are my new best friends
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Big Kenny

Is there ANY and I mean ANY way I could get the same deal?? I REALLY want this mic and don't want to get the FET if I can get it same price PM me if you don't wanna tell the world plz...seriously I am desperste dudes!
 
Try calling MF to see if they even still have the mics in stock. Oherwise, Ebay is the place to go.

I'm hoping mine gets here today. I'm running a session tonight with a singer that I think will sound great through this.
 
Alright, anyone interested in hearing the MD-1B in action . . .


I got a chance to use it on a session this past weekend. I mic'ed up the guitar amp with it, and we also cut a few vocal tracks with it.

If you go here and check out the first tune, "11 dollar life," you can hear it on both electric guitar and vocals. I have to warn some of you ahead of time this isn't really easy listening, but the band was mostly talented in my opinion, which made them a good guinea pig : :D

http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/album.php?aid=3503&alid=-1
 
gotta say like the guitar and vocal tones, for what that is worth.

those aint real drums are they?

too bad the singer has that horrible vocal affectation- i forget its name- the collective soul "yeah" affectation.
 
I'm a bad judge of guitar sounds. However, those vocals are nice-as-you-like :D Does the band know of "Terrorvision"? They would LOVE them. Would you say the mic smooths out harshness then? The vox sound very nice and smooth to me.

Now I bet you're gonna tell us this is through a Great River, Apogee converters etc :(
 
Incidently as no one is tough enough to go test out a FET version, how much difference do we predict there will be? Normally tubes are meant to be warm, but quite frankly they aren't normally as warm as I would expect. In the UK I can get the FET version for £120 (Just over $200), and the Tube version for £300 (Around $550). Thus I think the FET version is a much better deal.
 
So if cheaper is a better deal how come I have about a dozen mics that are in a drawer. Good investment? NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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BK
 
Because you have lots of mics. I bet if you only had ONE mic, it wouldn't spend all its time in a drawer. I have NO mics :D
 
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