mxl 4000

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does anyone have experience with the mxl 4000? i can't find a single review online, and no one has even mentioned it anywhere on this website (unless the search function is lying to me...).

i'd love to have a multipattern mic in my closet, and i don't even own a figure 8. please help me out, i found an insane deal on this thing!
 
oddly enough, the 4000 isn't even mentioned anywhere on the mxlmics.com website either...i would think that even if it was a brand new model there would be some sort of announcement there.
has anyone even heard of this mic?
 
looks like one of their musicians friend-only models, which generally aren't listed on the website. i saw that in the new catalog and it made me laugh-- list price of about $1200, "normal price" of $600, "sale price" of $200 and it's apparently a brand new model (looks to be the multipattern version of their mxl 3000 which apparently flopped)
 
looks like one of their musicians friend-only models, which generally aren't listed on the website. i saw that in the new catalog and it made me laugh-- list price of about $1200, "normal price" of $600, "sale price" of $200 and it's apparently a brand new model (looks to be the multipattern version of their mxl 3000 which apparently flopped)

yeah, i saw the deal at music123.com, but i just looked at musiciansfriend and they have the same deal. i was kinda excited since mxl seems to make some really good low-priced mics, but at the same time i was leery of the price disparities you mention. i'd have to assume at this point that:

1)music123 IS musiciansfriend, and
2) this mic is not one of mxl's better offerings.

thanks for the input.
 
i've never used it and i don't know if it's good or not actually-- it might totally be. i was just pointing out that there is some funky pricing going on there. you could pick it up then move the 603 it comes with to offset the cost.
yeah i'd come to that conclusion about music123-- there are a few other online retailers that musiciansfriend (guitar center) seems to own as well.
 
Info about MXL 4000

I emailed MXL. They said the MXL 4000 is a Musicians Friend exclusive and it's basically the same as the MXL 2010. I looked up the specs for the 2010 on mxlmics.com /condenser_mic/mxl2010/mxl2010.htm (leave out the spaces) but I wasn't impressed.
Also, the 2010 regularly sells for under $150, so I think it's bunk that MF is claiming a list price of $1,200 so they can sell the MXL 4000 for $200.

I'm going to try the MXL 3000 and the MXL Cube. The Cube seems to have better specs and it costs a lot less. It looks kinda dumb, but I wonder if there's another catch...
 
I bought it

This is a cheap mic. It is worth the $200 I spent on it. I plan to keep it, but if you are expecting a $1200 mic, you will be disappointed.

It sounds decent, almost identical to the MXL 990, but the 4000 also has the multi-pattern, which is nice.

The MXL V69 has a much sweeter tone compared to either the 990 or the 4000. This is just my opinion, as I own these mics.

Next on the list to buy will be the Mojave MA-200 coupled with a variable impedance pre-amp.

Hope this helps anyone with questions on this mic.
 
MXL 4000 is VERY Similar to Sterling Audio ST77

Guitar Center convinced me to buy a Sterling Audio ST77 microphone a few months ago, mainly because there was a "deal" where a Mbox 2 Mini was included for FREE. After I bought the mic, I searched everywhere online and discovered, after going through many forums and making some phone calls, that the Sterling Audio brand is Guitar Center's own brand, like their line of Laguna guitars, etc. A division manager within Guitar Center had connections to Groove Tubes and GC was able to acquire most of GT's microphone formulas in designing the Sterling Audio microphones. This is why Sterling Audio is dealt ONLY through GC, and also why they can afford to sell such high quality mics at such affordable prices.

Interesting, I just noticed that the MXL 4000 condense mic has the EXACT same specs as the ST77, the only difference is that the MXL 4000 offers more dimensions like different patterns, a pad, and cutoff filter. That MXL 4000 is only dealt through GC leads me to suspect that it is probably a very similar microphone if not the exact same as the MXL 4000. They are even sold with the same exact SM-7 shockmount and "mahogany" storage case.

FOR SPECS: LOOK UP THE MXL 4000 ON MUSICIANSFRIEND dot COM, and go to STERLINGAUDIO dot NET for the ST77. I'm not allowed to post URLs until four more posts.

So, now onto the price and actual quality. My extensive searches of the ST77 have only partly convinced me that it truly is a great quality mic. Peoples' strong reviews could simply be due to lack of appropriate comparisons and inattention to fine detail. For example, if you're just doing project and demo recordings, chances are that a $200 - $2,000 mic will likely get you the same results. Other factors such as sound character of recording space are often times a more important factor in determining the outcome of a sound recording - a better sounding mic will only capture the room ambiance more accurately.

The MXL 4000 sells for $200, whereas the Sterling Audio ST77 sells for $500. Why such a stark difference in price? Either MXL has "stolen" the ST77 and found a way to undercut the ST77 microphone, or GC has some sort of deal worked out with MXL. Other possibilities of course there are!

But, get this:

I paid $500 + $110 for a 3-year "performance guarantee" extended warranty through GC. The Mbox 2 Mini was free, but cost $40 for a 2-year performance guarantee.

Total was $650, plus a little more for taxes, which I'll leave out for this purpose.

Let's say I did pay the full amount for the Mbox 2 Mini, and under this scenario, we can derive the "actual" value of the Sterling Audio ST77:

$650 - $300 (cost of Mbox 2 Mini) - $40 2-yr coverage - $110 3-yr ST77 coverage = $200.

Coincidence? I think not. Sounds like GC has found yet another way to consistently make killer profits off of unsuspecting, and often misled, customers. You see, in most cases, people will be convinced to buy the ST77, usually because all the Pro Audio guys will be like, "Yeah! I have 3 Sterling Audio mics that are all awesome." Well, GC employees already get a huge discount and likely will get an even steeper cut with store-brand items. So in the event that this "extreme deal" that I had is not being offered, that just means GC is making even more money.

I've used the ST77 a number of times and quite honestly can't say that much about it because I have not yet used it in a high enough of an audio quality setting to be able to tell much about it. But I can say this, the specs for MXL 4000 and ST77 are the EXACT same and will probably yield the same exact results.

The ST77's self-noise of 18 dB is actually pretty high, given the fact that the Blue Bluebird, now $350, has less than 7.5 dB of self-noise, and the Shure KSM27 and KSM32 at $300 and $550, respectively, have self-noise of around 12-15 dB. The AKG Perception mics 100, 200, and 400 have self-noise of also 18dB and are at LEAST half as expensive (especially with current rebate offers until the end of January!).

So the moral is this: you get what you pay for, with exceptions of course.

In the case of the ST77, I got a "free" Mbox 2 Mini. There have also been recent deals where the ST77 is essentially included for FREE in the same way that many MXL mics are included for free with basic recording equipment packages and the like. The lower cost and VALUE of these microphones is generally due to a less strict quality control system, so you might get something great, or something not so great.

And this is EXACTLY why the "performance guarantee" program works so ridiculously well. Backed by corporate giant Aon Consulting, which specializes in Risk Management, Guitar Center (bought by Bain Capital - private equity firm) has discovered a way to keep profits rolling while still being able to convince most of their customers that they are getting "awesome deals" even though the prices are actually not that great or even that different from normal "sale" prices.

If you'd like to discuss more, definitely shoot me an email, I feel like I've exhausted the topic of MXL 4000 + numerous tangents for now.

Best,
Steve
 
I just bought the MXL 4000 and got the deal of the free 603. I was suprised at the size of the mic ( although that means nothing ) and also that it came in a decent storage box. I also noticed that MXL is now bragging on their boxes that their mics are wired with Mogami.

I have yet to test the mic out yet but mainly got it for its multi patterns for micing acoustic guitar.
 
I also noticed that MXL is now bragging on their boxes that their mics are wired with Mogami.
They've "bragged" about this for years. I'm afraid that copper wire is just copper wire, no matter what you call it, especially the short lengths inside a mic.
 
Best,
Steve


they are not the same mic, someone opened both of these suckka and took a snap shot, the inside is totally different, although MXL made the Sterling Audio ST77.

All these are the info I found on the net, I do not own any of these mics, the pictures were taken by someone else, and the claim that MXL made the ST77 is just word my mouth, no one have proved it yet.
 
What does the 'multi-pattern' or figure 8 do when recording? What types of effect does it have? Why would you use it?
 
Have it, like it for the price

I have the 4000 and it was a big step up in my home recording. Don't be fooled by the list price. It's a 200 dollar mic. But it's good for the money. If you want to hear a sample, watch my youtube vid I made with it (see below for how to find it - I can't post URLs). The lead vocals are done with the 4000 and some of the backing tracks are as well. Some of the backing was done with an SM57, but I don't remember which.

Just a note. This was done in my living room (and the adjacent room has a tile floor) so I really think that this mic could sound a lot better in a dead room.

Anyway, go to youtube and search for "WGU help" if you want to hear the 4000. The first vid on the list is mine (it's called HELP! - WGU Scholarship Contest 2008. Or something like that.).
 
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