Monitors reviews: The missing link

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Yorks

sounds like the york actives are in your plans? :)
 
COOLCAT,

This was not the purpose of the thread but it would be difficult to deny your assumption :D

In fact the idea was to bring my modest contribution to this forum.

Too bad the links on Behringer, Wharfedales and some others reviewed were not kept in my bookmarks.

It took me many days to get some infos about monitors in forums and magazines, it's time consuming. In many threads we often read that some monitor had good review in some magazine somewhere sometime etc...

Why not having a sticky thread called "The missing link" containing only links to reviews about specific products ?

It would be nice to make others forum members save their time in the quest for finding monitors and other equipments.

SergeD
 
missing link

yeah like a quick rolodex. i can dig it. we'll have to live with searches for now.

I agree a nice QUICK SEARCH for HR..
hell try to do a search on JBL Control 5 monitors?!!
they've sold 'em for 20 years...and yet there's absolutely nothing but tiny,tiny lines of their mention... used in many pro studios! who/where? nothing.
Han and some guy 3 years ago had like a 1 line mention of 'em saying "decent"..
Retailers too! no Review comments..?? strange? 20years of Control 5's.
JBL has some good stuff, thats about it.

and the SM-7, i did the same thing, a bunch of very interesting articles i've never found again since? missing links. :confused:
 
Speaking of the Yorks, where's the cheapest place to find them? I've seen them for $419.00....anyone cheaper?

Thanks,
Rick
 
The best thing would be for you to go to Steve's and have a listen as monitors. Especially the KRK RP8, the Samson Rubicon 65 and the Truths.

Then you could get to the next level and enter the small room in the back and listen to some EMES, Genelec, Mackie HR824 and Dynaudios.

Then understand that mixing on sub $1000 monitors is a waste of time.

Out of all the small cheap monitors, the Yorkies are probably the best. If you want even cheaper, the Yamaha MSP5 are decent too, but they have much hyped treble.
 
I guess I could just use headphones then. :eek: :D

Heh heh~!!

Well if my Warfe's show up, then fine. If not, I guess it the Yorkie's for me. :)

Thanks,
Rick
 
I highly recommend the Yorkvilles. I've been using them for years now.
 
yorks.

WERNER 1 said:
Speaking of the Yorks, where's the cheapest place to find them? I've seen them for $419.00....anyone cheaper?

Thanks,
Rick
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i put another post somewhere. Gear1 has a 10% off coupon thing. so its like $397 total/ shipped. $377 plus $20 shipping. Yorks powered, pair.

monitors- Imo, the "extra" mid range is a common difference between majority of V-scooped speakers and flat speakers. most all speakers have the tweeters tweeting, the bass booming...the ones i've heard.

but the mids... average listeners don't like the mid's, harsh, so they chop them out for us listeners....

thru some comparisons, what i once considered "harsh" or "ear bleed"...
i'm now calling "more detailed".

the mid freq, ear bleed ranges...1K-7K sht, thats were the vocals verbs, guitars, piano's and digital distortion!! is going on.
 
TheDewd said:
Then understand that mixing on sub $1000 monitors is a waste of time.
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Speak for yourself, dewd...

For example - 'you need to understand that I am so poor at mixing that I feel I need as much help as possible. I find it a waste of time to even try without the false confidence of knowing I paid way too much for my monitoring system'
 
the search thread idea.
i've been gearlusting reading on "the next" level monitors.
the ones that are out of reach a bit. $1,000 (actually $800)
DYNAUDIO BM6P and ADAM ANF10, JBL44series...
there's a bunch of links.
could save hours to answer a question? and the reviews links...
we could actually do this in this thread somewhat.
If the Subject has a strong title, and maybe even restart the thread with a Title...a HR search would help a little...not as good as a sticky.

Upgrade:
then once you go to a $5000 set you realize you wasted time mixing on a $1000 set...

hopefully, thru the struggle we learn alot and will appreciate the upgrades even more...as our ears savor the sonic bliss. the "buzz" from challenge to success.... or maybe we won't hear the difference?
that could just be bad ear-wax buildup! :eek:

i agree, looking back it's like "whooa...i was using 4x12 Peavy guitar speaker cabinets for monitors!!" "or WHAT?? Don't use Heaphones for MIXING..but i did that for 7653745 muddy mixes??? "
those times you either laugh or cry. :p
 
TheDewd said:
Then understand that mixing on sub $1000 monitors is a waste of time.
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I've been to alot of Pro Studios and quite a few of them are mixing on sub $1000 monitors. I mean, these guys are getting paid and they still choose some of the lower end monitors like the Alesis Monitor 1 Active MKII's. To say that mixing on sub $1000 monitors is a waste of time is flat out wrong!! :mad:
 
how about your skills ?

GOODLAND said:
I've been to alot of Pro Studios and quite a few of them are mixing on sub $1000 monitors. I mean, these guys are getting paid and they still choose some of the lower end monitors like the Alesis Monitor 1 Active MKII's. To say that mixing on sub $1000 monitors is a waste of time is flat out wrong!! :mad:
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Wasting time is trying to mix with headphones or Altec lansing speakers.

Give a crappy guitar to a bunch of guitarists and soon you will see who is talented and who's not.

SergeD
 
SergeD said:
Wasting time is trying to mix with headphones or Altec lansing speakers.

Give a crappy guitar to a bunch of guitarists and soon you will see who is talented and who's not.

SergeD
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Well said. I've cranked out some greeat sounding mixes that my freinds and others could have sworn it was professionally done. ;) And I mixed it with my "waste of time" monitors. By the way, I use the KRK RP8's
 
MISSING LINK : BW DM303 article

Missing Link: HiFi vs Studio Monitors (BWDM303)
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Jun02/articles/monitors.asp

bs: interesting comment. Good's. thats what takes this stuff around and around.
Do the pro's you mention use these $300 speakers as their Mains..???
Maybe they have a really,really good mastering engineer too?

speakers, physics, ear wax.....like drinking wine....
if you don't have the taste buds for it, save your money and buy Rott-Gut $1.50 stuff.

I've been listening to BMwerx Cd...its amazingly done, sounds as if its straight from the shelf at BestBuy. It was mixed & mastered on a Tascam 2488 with JBL 4408's or 4208 monitors... so i do agree, you don't have to have Westlake customs to do a good mix/master. proof's in the pudding.

but lets remember gearsluts don't use common sense...
their only limited by their wallet.
 
SergeD said:
Wasting time is trying to mix with headphones or Altec lansing speakers.

Give a crappy guitar to a bunch of guitarists and soon you will see who is talented and who's not.

SergeD
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yeah the talented guy will go "fhk this piece of sht!!" hgahahaha
the caveman will never know quality from crap... i'm guessing, i don't personally know any caveman..well, there is one guy at work... :D

Clapton's advice to beginners was get the "best" guitar you can afford to start with as it will make your learning more pleasent and therefore enjoyable and therefore lead you on to heroin...or into the groove or some sht...
just digressing....
 
GOODLAND said:
I've been to alot of Pro Studios and quite a few of them are mixing on sub $1000 monitors. I mean, these guys are getting paid and they still choose some of the lower end monitors like the Alesis Monitor 1 Active MKII's. To say that mixing on sub $1000 monitors is a waste of time is flat out wrong!! :mad:
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Don't you know that MOST of the time, you get what you pay for? This is my idea:

$1000 for passive monitors sounds cool, cause all the money went into the acoustics, the materials and the magnets.

$1000 for small active dipshit monitors with Class D bass power amps and class AB tweeter amps designed and made in CHINA just sucks.

When you want serious passives, $1000 is enough. Serious actives require GOOD amplifcation AND good speakers...which CANNOT be found under $1000 for certain.

To finalize my statement, I'd like to say that those professionals that mix on sub par quality chineese rubberish class D amplified speakers use them because they are used to how they translate. Look at the NS-10, this is a piece of pire SHITE...it isn't flat at all. I'm in the quest for the flattest thing, not dipshit chineese monitors. Any SERIOUS sound engineer should search for flatness and accuracy more than anything else...and this is something cheap monitors can't offer. Sorry, but that'S the truth.
 
TheDewd said:
When you want serious passives, $1000 is enough. Serious actives require GOOD amplifcation AND good speakers...which CANNOT be found under $1000 for certain.
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Take a look at the schematics for YSM1P's.
Then take them apart and take a look at the drivers. And the components used in the amp if you want.
Then take a look at the build quality: nice MDF, a perfectly tuned flared port, rounded front baffle edges, heavily braced cabinet, lots of dampening.

These are serious speakers. I don't have a clue how they manufacture them so cheaply. There is at least 6-7x the component cost in them than any other sub-$1000 monitor I've ever seen. I also have Wharfedales which have amps that look to cost 1/10th the price and the worst drivers I've ever seen. They do sound "warmer" than the Yorkies but I think this is a matter of heavy colouration; they have a pretty prominent midrange bump, poor HF extension, and a fair bit of distortion.

About the only thing you could do better is to use low-ESR capacitors in the opamp loops and of course, you can always go up in terms of drivers. I'm trying out some Morels in mine shortly.

Also keep in mind that a well-designed active biamp hold a significant advantage over a passive system. It performs far better for less money. Even a "relatively cheap" active biamp such as in the Yorkies will outperform even the most expensive passive crossover components and design you could possibly have.

Mind you some of the other stuff you see in similarly-priced monitors is not so good. TL072's are often used and phase correction isn't even thought about, which is silly because that's the biggest advantage of an active crossover.
 
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