Modeling & Robotics: where are guitars going

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Modeling and robotics: where are guitars going

This line of thought occurred to me during the huge storm that came through the bay area last week, filling our reservoirs from "here comes water rationing drought" to normal levels in one go. That and a scodiddly post. Power was funky, lights dimming, branches slamming into the windows, whistling wind through wires, trees, under doors, not to mention bridge closures and trucks turning over.

My display screen went down at one point, for like a split second, then came back up quickly enough to where the computer didn't shut down. There was a new mail received, which I at first assumed was a glitch as it was from myself. I opened it and along with a date in the heading of November 22, 2027 was amazed to find it was indeed from me. No deLoreans exceeding 88 miles per hour were involved.

Anyway, myself says, Hey, I'm not going to ask "how are you doing" because I already know. THis will be a good year for you, but i'm not going to tell you why because you'll overthink it and screw things up. In any case, I thought it 'd probably be okay to let you in on some cool stuff that's coming, guitarwise.

The beginnings of the changes to come start with Line6 and its modeling guitars in concert with the physical changes of Gibson releasing a thing called the Robot guitar with automatic alternate tuning. It gets panned, as radical changes tend to, but Gibson is thinking ahead.

With patents in place, they, soon joined by other manufacturers, continue to refine the "robotic" guitar to a point where having a guitar that can play multiple tunings even within a song becomes undisputedly the new paradigm. New string manufacturing techniques provide incredibly resilient to breakage even with constant retentioning.

String transport is smooth, accurate and can basically be instantaneous, or tap tempoed in to change tunings over a rythmic interval, or manually via expression pedal. New bands appear, shot to the forefront through capitalizing on this technology. Across he world, guitarists become accustomed to the sensual feel of playing shifting strings under their fingers.

From metal to the blues, experimental jazz to rootsy bluegrass, there are hotshot guitarists droning taught strings while simulaneously playing bends with monstrous range and control on opposing strings in slack key. Further possiblities are offered with pitch shifting pedals and guitars with sophisticated built in pitch shifting to augment possible setups. Acoustic instrumental guitar music becomes hugely popular as fingerstyle playing is taken to an entirely new realm with subtle shifting panoram...

Thats all that got through.
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yeah,yeah, I expect to get a lot of that. Probably most of the responses will be like that as it's still all about the paul, tele and strat designs and their variations.(which are wonderful things to be sure) I'm just curious if anybody has thought about possibilities for developing what guitars are capable of further.
 
I think you should take the strings off, add some keys... Oh and change the body into like, brass... and have 'em breath into it. Won't need no effect boxes, and you'll sustain as long as you've got breath in you, so all those delays and sustain-o-ramas and E-bows aren't needed. Then I suppose a reed would sound pretty nice on that thing...

Now all it needs is a name... anyone like Sawophone?

Everyone knows that guitars totally suck. One note at a time is where it's at!
 
Rough crowd. But agreed, adding ablilities to what a guitar can do could be perceived as making an arguably simple thing needlessly complicated.

Playing guitar is a personal thing. "Tone is in the fingers". I'm just talking about giving them a bigger playground. Not everybody is going to want to go to the new parts.
 
Robotic and modeling guitars just broaden the continuum of what is possible with six (or however many) strings stretched over whatever length scale, based on whatever scale structure. Cigar box guitars to robotically tuned....ain't it great?:)
 
Great Scott, Marty! We're dealing with a major paradox! Consequences could be disasterous! :D
 
Great Scott, Marty! We're dealing with a major paradox! Consequences could be disasterous! :D

Waiting for that one hah...Its guitars..its music..anything that makes it more affordable/easier is good i think. Idk what could be next. However, i love amp modeling..and i'd love to have that tuning thing..cause its kind of annoying to tune everyday..however its not annoying enough to spend like a grand on getting one of those things. But hey..im all for innovation!
 
Isn't what you're talking about pretty close to what a pedal steel does? I'm not overly familiar with the mechanics, but I thought the principles were along those lines. I agree that cool sounds could be made, I just don't know that the robots are necessary. But sure, maybe they could make it easier. Here's hoping for interesting changes.

There's always experimental stuff going on, it's just usually on a smaller, more diy scale. You might enjoy the stuff at oddmusic.com -- check it out sometime if you're not already familiar with the site.
 
I like the pedal steel allusion. I play guitar, and a little bit of pedal steel, and I'm pretty apathetic about making my lovely Les Paul Deluxe into something like a fully loaded SUV. I own a Les Paul because it is no more than it is: a robust, relatively simple means of musical expression.

The Strat and LP represent mature designs, remarkable in the short length of time it took them to achieve that status. Guitars will evolve in the future in response to the same pressures that led to slinky strings, hot pickups, and other artifacts that didn't exist when these instruments were introduced.

Whether they also need cup holders and auto tuners and TV screens and so on has already been answered in my mind: toys are fun, but they don't have even a tenuous relationship to the making of music.

Or do you think a Stradivarius needs a whammy bar and skull and crossbones stickers?
 
In any case, the topic of Gibson's robot guitar came up in another forum, and it was panned, and we were pretty much all piling on against it. Then somebody mentioned that we were basically just arguing against technology for no reason. At that point, I tried to think of what could be cool about a guitar that changes tunings.

I have never tried gibson's robot guitar, but I read through the online manual. Not having one to mess around with, I have no idea how far you can push it's capabilities, or how well it does what it's touted to do. Hence the "back to the future" start of my post. I'm fully aware that version one of something like this may very well have a lot of refining to do later on. Not to mention not everybody will dig the word "robot" in the name to describe controllable automation.

What I envisioned being cool useful creative capabilities? Be able to control how the tuning takes place over time.
Having it switch tunings, any tuning, immediately, zip! and be ready to go would be cool when you want that.
Maybe have it switch tunings with tap tempo, in within scale intervals, you play repeating patterns and have them evolve over a few bars would be cool.
Being able to change tunings manually over time with an expression pedal, either smoothly, or jumping chromatically, towards the next tuning.

An extreme example, go from standard tuning then jump to a slack key tuning for a solo with extreme and very expressive bends.

THe possibilites do kind of open up if you think about it for a moment. Would be a trip to have the strings sliding back and forth and changing tension under your fingers while you play. And sure, then of course as an option throw in a whammy bar. Yes, this could definitely be cool. Beyond this, the modeling guitar stuff will surely only improve too.

While every guitarist should be able to tune their own guitar, in its present form, if this pricy new guitar delivers what it says, I'm sure folks like Joni Mitchell et al who use lots of tunings live would love a well implemented presetable quickchange tuning guitar.

Here's to hoping the Adrian Belew and Robert Fripp types out there hack this thing and milk it for all it's worth.
 
Well, what we're talking about is computer-controlled machinery, so I think "robot" is probably the word to use, regardless of connotation. I think it could be cool, I just think it would be very tough to implement properly, especially by Gibson's current method. But here are some ideas on that, if anybody cares.

Firstly, I don't know exactly how the current model works. Does it rely on being able to sense the vibration in the string to tell what pitch it's at? I don't know how else it could claim to do precise tuning. If so, I don't see a way to do that if I'm currently fingering that string at the 5th fret. Personally, I think such a quick-change system would be better implemented by a set of automated levers, or maybe solenoids, that switch the string between one preset pitch and another, like an automated version of those hipshot D-tuning keys I've seen. I think automated string-winders would be too slow, and the transitions between chords would be ugly-sounding, not smooth like on a pedal steel. You don't want to have to kill the volume for three seconds while strumming an open chord and waiting for it to change. Admittedly, my idea produces a horrific calibration problem on new string setup, but I think it would hold up better mid-song.

I'd bury the assembly in the body of the guitar, like where a tremolo cavity would be. For one, it wouldn't create that giant-headstock issue, and it'd look more like a regular guitar. Two, it'd be easier to run the controls. A microprocessor that only has to decide which solenoids to fire upon pushing a certain button would be a _lot_ easier to implement than a computer-controlled pitch-intelligent string-winder. Three, I'm wondering if changing the tension at the head end, behind my fretting hand, would cause problems, as the strings would have to slip very slightly under my fingers. I think the change belongs on the sounding end, if that makes any sense.

Sure, I think it could be cool, and I think it can be done. I'm just thinking this isn't the specific technology to use for it. Too bad I suck at electronics; this would be a fun one to work on.
 
"Would be a trip to have the strings sliding back and forth and changing tension under your fingers while you play."


...can't wait until someone slices their finger to the bone and sues gibson...:rolleyes:
 
the transitions between chords would be ugly-sounding, not smooth like on a pedal steel. controlled pitch-intelligent string-winder.
I'm wondering if changing the tension at the head end, behind my fretting hand, would cause problems, as the strings would have to slip very slightly under my fingers. I think the change belongs on the sounding end, if that makes any sense.

Sure, I think it could be cool, and I think it can be done. I'm just thinking this isn't the specific technology to use for it. .
I can't really speak to the technology involved or what new breakthroughs would be needed, I just want someone to make it.lol.


As for "ugly" sounding transitions, muting of unwanted strings by the player would be key.

As far as string movement (and concern over fingers being sliced ..), I don't know that their movement would be too radical in most instances. Ever hold a note on a floyd rose equipped guitar and abruptly push the bar all the way down? Or hold a note with the bar completely down and abruptly come up for that matter.
 
Three, I'm wondering if changing the tension at the head end, behind my fretting hand, would cause problems, as the strings would have to slip very slightly under my fingers. I think the change belongs on the sounding end, if that makes any sense.

Regardless of which end is stretching the string tigher or loosening it, the entire string is shifting - your finger would feel the movement either way. Not being nit-picky, Im just bored at work :D
 
Yeah, ok. I guess I don't fret hard enough to hold the string tension on one end while it relaxes on the other. Nitpickery welcome as long as it's educational.
 
I think we should all just become really good Saxophone players.

Seriously, there are too many lame Saxophonists (Kenny G) who get hailed as great because no one wants to play it in a rock band.

Distortion + Wah + Sax= awesome
 
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