Mixer queries..

[clearlyunaware]

hey, im looking into buying a new sound card and mixer, I was looking at buying a new soundcard, one of the either the m audio Delta 44 or 66 , is the only major difference with these cards the extra digital inputs?

im not sure which mixers will be compatible with the sound card, im only looking for maybe 8 channels, so will i need a better sound card such as the 1010LT? is the LT model just without the frontend so you can use your own mixer?

Regarding my mixer, am i right assume, that theres no point having more channels on your mixer as your restricted by your sound card channels? or can this be got around?

i'd like a mixer with 4 buses, but im not sure if its going to be in my price range, everyone seems to be quite negative with the behringers and the yamahas, does anypone have any recommendations?

also.. . if i use an analog mixer and the delta 44, and then onto my HD, any ideas what this will do to the sound / recording process?

any help would be greatly appreciated

 

[Hard2Hear]

Yes, the difference between the 44 and 66 is the digital inputs. I had the 44 a long time and never missed them myself.

You can get any mixer you want. If you get a real 4 bus mixer, you can just send bus 1-2-3-4 to inputs 1-2-3-4 on your soundcard. It makes the mixer a great tool for routing your signals.

I used my Mackie 1604VLZpro (for sale in the for sale section) with a 44 for a few years and got really great results. Ask anyone on this board who has heard my music. The Soundcraft mixers are nice, too in my opinion. And they arent as expensive as the Mackies new.

H2H

 

[Bulls Hit]

I use a Yamaha MG12/4 with my Delta 44. Works great.

With this mixer I can get upto 10 outputs, so it would work just as well with an 8-in card like the 1010LT

 

[Farview]

It is always good to have a few extra channels on the board, that way you can bring fx processors back into channels so you can eq them and send a little delay to the reverb if you want.

That being said, why would you want to come out of the computer to go through an inexpensive board and I'm assuming inexpensive outboard gear? Take the money you would spend on the board and get a uad card. Those pluggins are really really good simulations of very nice stuff. That will change the way your mixes sound. A mackie or Behringer in that price range will not give you analog warmth or any other sonic happiness that you are looking for.

 

[Bulls Hit]

Not sure he wants to come out of the PC back into the mixer....

The main purpose of a mixer, for me, is the preamps and phantom power for the mics, then control room monitoring, headphone duty after that

 

[Farview]

my bad, never mind the rant

 

[clearlyunaware]

so the mixer connects to the sound card via the buses?
not via specific channels?

is ADAT worth looking at?

so the delta 44 can only ever record 4 channels simultaneously? no more?
but you still utilise other channels for patching in effects..?

is the omnistudio worth buying? or is it simply a frontend with preamps?

im not really sure about going back from my pc to the mixer, unless i can have the pc running effects?

the uad cards look intresting, wouldn't i need a mixer to use them anyway?

are there any analog mixers that can recall their settings? or is that a digital only attribute..?
sorry about all the questions..
thanks for all your help, im gonna take a look at some soundcraft mixers ..

 

[Farview]

so the mixer connects to the sound card via the buses?
not via specific channels? ..

YES

is ADAT worth looking at? ..

IF YOU HAVE THE COMPUTER, THERE IS NO POINT

so the delta 44 can only ever record 4 channels simultaneously? no more?
but you still utilise other channels for patching in effects..? ..

JUST 4, YOU USE EXTRA CHANNELS OF THE BOARD FOR ADDED INPUTS (EFFECTS, DRUM SET, MULTI-MICED GUITARS

im not really sure about going back from my pc to the mixer, unless i can have the pc running effects? ..

THEN DON'T

the uad cards look intresting, wouldn't i need a mixer to use them anyway? CORRECT..

are there any analog mixers that can recall their settings? or is that a digital only attribute..? ..

YES, BUT THEY COST HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.

sorry about all the questions....

DO YOU HAVE ANY ASPRIN?

thanks for all your help, im gonna take a look at some soundcraft mixers ..

 

[clearlyunaware]

thanks for all your help, im sorry to be a pain, thanks for taking the time to help me out..
so.. buses carry multiple channels?

do you guys have any opinions on the delta 1010lt and the straight1010?

i was looking at the Sound Craft E12 mixer and the Yamaha MG16/6FX,
i could possibly stretch to a mackie 1202, has anyone got thoughts on the compact mackies?

 

[darnold]

Mixers like the Mackie 1604 have direct outs on 8 channels. So you could use the direct outs or the Bus's. The bus's are like Bus Vehicles, that they take more than 1 People (channels) at one time.

You could get an ADAT, and a ADAT lightpipe sound card to give you 8 Channels into the computer. The ADAT would act as a front end converter. However, ADAT converters arnt as good as the Delta 44 but you woul have more channels and portability.

The Delta 44 records 4 AT ONE TIME. That doesnt mean you cant run more than 4 channels out put though. Thats dependent on your sound card. As far as effects go, thats whether or not your using outboard or computer plugins. You can use as many plugin effects as your CPU can handle. With a full native system, you only need the mixer for your preamps and bussing. After that you could be runnin 24 channels with effects without the use of the mixer. You could actually add another Delta 44 later and run them together to give you 8 channels.

No you do not need a mixer to use the UAD1. That is ran through your computer with DirectX plugins or VST.

There are analog mixers that do recall and automation, but they are probably out of your budget. I doubt the cheapest is a hundred thousand dollars however. The Control 24 is an automated hybrid mixer (basically). All outputs are analog, but it has an automation controller in it. It runs about $7000 new i think. Im not sure however if these run with anything but Protools.

The Delta 1010 is definately better than both the 44 and lt. Better converters, more channels, and supposedly better converters. But its little more expesive (not much anymore i think).

Danny