Midi Controller...What

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I'm just a mere guitar player and know nothing about midi, but I've written a new song that has to have strings on it. Does it make any difference in what midi controller you use? Does'nt the music software make the sound of the strings? Maybe I'm dense. I just don't seem to get it.
 
Toonsmith said:
Does it make any difference in what midi controller you use?
First, you must understand that MIDI controller doesn't make any sound. It just control devices using MIDI protocol. :) It delivers MIDI data. Speak MIDI language. MIDI data devided into several kind of type, eg. Note on/off message, MIDI control change (CC), bank/program change, etc. etc... These days, MIDI controller are shiped in various type, and used on purpose. If you want to input MIDI notes into your sequencer, then you need "note input" kind of MIDI controller (eg. keyboard, drum pads, etc). If you want to control/sync playback and record, then you need MIDI controller which send those kind of data. Some MIDI controller can be used as "note input" device, control CC, start/stop and sync sequencer, etc. Your sequencer (PC) will recieve these data and respond (or record) to the message delivered.

Toonsmith said:
Does'nt the music software make the sound of the strings?
FYI, to make sound using MIDI, you need either sampler or synthesizer as tone generator. It can be hardware or software. Some music software has tone generator (called soft synth), while some does not (eg. sequencer only). Tell us what you got, and maybe we can help you how to make it work... :)
 
I'm using a M-audio 66 Omni with Logic 4.8.1. The manuals say that both can handle midi.
 
I thought the Delta 66/OMNI studio had no MIDI interface. Yup, just looked at the website, no MIDI.

When you say something can "handle MIDI," this is a bit vague. As James said, MIDI is a bunch of information about the music performance, not the audio of the performance. It's analogous to a player piano, where the piano roll has no sound in it, but it actuates the keys in a player piano and triggers the hammers to fall on the right notes at the right times. The piano roll is recorded information about the performance that allows it to be recreated on any compatible player piano.

In the same way, MIDI data allows a performance to be recreated a MIDI-compatible device. Computers use recording software to record the data from a MIDI instument coming into the MIDI In port, and once it's recorded it can be sent via the MIDI Out port to any device configured to receive the data.

Ever since the first SoundBlaster, consumer soundcards have had built-in MIDI synths in them, usually pretty cheesy ones that were more or less useless. A few cards came out in the 90's that had better MIDI playback potential -- the Turtle Beach Multisound and the SoundBlaster AWE series were notable examples.

As computers got faster, it became possible to run a "virtual" MIDI synth that was a software application, rather than a hardware device. These softsynths, as James noted, run in the computer, and you direct the recording software's MIDI data to it sort of through a virtual MIDI port withing the computer. In this case the actual audio output of the synth is piped through the WAV data stream just like recorded audio data would be. This kind of MIDI device can be run without an external synth or a MIDI out port, though you would still need a MIDI interface if you wanted to record your own keyboard performances as MIDI data.

With the Delta66/OMNI, Logic, and a fast enough computer, you can get excellent MIDI playback using a VSTi (VST instrument -- VST is the plug-in architecture that Logic supports). But there's no MIDI interface so you can't send it out to external devices or hook a controller keyboard up to it to get the MIDI data it spits out when you play it to the computer.

One more note: "MIDI controller" usually refers to a keyboard that has no sound on board - it is purely a generator of MIDI messages but does not create any sound in response to them, as James mentioned. Many MIDI synths have keyboards and sound-making capabilities, and they are perfectly good for using as a controller. Then there are the alternative controllers -- wind controllers, drum pads, guitars with pitch-to-MIDI converting pickups and electronics hooked to them...
 
There must be some midi in the Delta 66/Omni unit. In the manual it says to plug the audio outputs from your MIDI keyboards, sound modules, and drum machines into each of the four Omni stereo "Aux Ins". Using a cable that is 1/4" TRS plug to two 1/4" TS plugs, or cabling that is similar while appropriate to your Midi modules outputs. In the picture it also shows a midi interface and midi module. I assume these devices are also needed to use the keyboard. Yes?
 
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There must be some midi in the Delta 66/Omni unit. In the manual it says to plug the audio outputs from your MIDI keyboards, sound modules, and drum machines into each of the four Omni stereo "Aux Ins".

All that says is you plug the audio outs into the Delta so you can record their audio outputs. The picture shows a generic standard setup, it doesn't mean that stuff is inside the Delta.
 
The key here is "audio outputs" in the line you quoted from the manual "plug the audio outputs from your MIDI keyboards". The OMNI can handle audio but not MIDI. The connections are audio connections from the MIDI Sound Module to the OMNI in the diagram you are looking at. At this point in the path the signal has been converted from MIDI control messages to audio by the Sound Module.

I also have the OMNI Studio. I purchased the MIDIMAN MIDISPORT 2x2 that provides 2 MIDI ports (32 MIDI channels) via a USB connection. There are other solutions - some cheaper, some more expensive. It just depends on what you need.
 
If you are running short of "audio inputs" on the OMNI you could also use a Sound Module that has an SPDIF output. I use the SPDIF from a Roland XV-5050 to the SPDIF input on the Delta 66. This provides a cleaner input and keeps all of my audio inputs on the OMNI free for other inputs.

There are multiple solutions depending upon what other you are trying to connect. If you post the configuration you are trying to achieve I'm sure the folks on this boards can make some suggestions.

Don
 
I recently bought a Radium 61 controller which uses a USB connection for both power and MIDI in/out. Many of the newer keyboard controllers are USB-compatible, so if you got one of those I guess you wouldn't have to worry about getting a separate MIDI interface.

Please note that before I got the USB keyboard I used my computer QWERTY keyboard. It's not very intuitive or flexible, but with something like Virtual Piano that came with the Pro Audio 9 software I started with, you certainly can do some basic strings and pads. In its most basic form you can even use your mouse to "paint" MIDI notes in the piano roll that comes with most sequencers.

As mentioned earlier, you will need synth or sampler software, but if all you're trying to do is add strings to one song you could use your computer keyboard or mouse, along with one of the free synths or samplers that are available for download, and you wouldn't have to spend a penny. Then again, an actual keyboard/controller willl make it a lot more fun...
 
Screw the keyboard!

Well, unless you want to use pre-made MIDI files only, or tediously enter notes in little grids or staves on the screen with a mouse, you will still want a keyboard...
 
Aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhgggggggg.........

O.K. Then I still need a keyboard. Is there much difference between midi keyboards Or is that just a subjective thing. I mean is a cheap Studiologic keyboard just as good as say a M-Audio device?
 
Well, it's a little more than just subjective. I mean, a cheap piece of junk is a cheap piece of junk. All you really need is keys that respond naturally and feel OK to you. I also highly recommend that it be a velocity-sensitive keyboard -- that is, it also detects how fast you strike the keys, which translates to MIDI velocity message that are mapped to volume (slow hit=softer, quick hit=louder), otherwise all the notes will have the same exact level, which does not sound natural for most instruments. Most decent keyboards have this feature.

A lot of people hate the dinky little keys on the smaller controllers; normal piano-size keys are best for most folks. Also, the more the merrier - you can make do with 24 keys (or whatever) but it gets hard to play parts with a wider range; 48 or 61 or preferably 88 is better, but more expensive.

If you just want to rouglhy enter melodies or capture rhytjms and then edit the notes in the sequencer, prett much anything will do the trick for you. If you really want to play the synths like a keyboard player would, your needs will be greater.
 
Thanks to everyone, especially AlChuck. Think I'll look a little before a purchase. But I'll be back with more questions, I'm sure!
 
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