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I know how home mastering isnt always recommended but in my case, its needed. I have soundforge 6.0 which was recommended to me for mastering. My only problem is that i dont know the process of mastering. What do i do to really fatten up the overall sound of each song?
 
mentil69 said:
My only problem is that i dont know the process of mastering.
Then I'm afraid you're not going to get very good results.... Just a reality-check - if you are just getting your feet wet with "self-mastering", then you can count on butchering a lot of material before you start improving your 2-track mixes.

If you're trying to self-master a critical project right now while you're green - forget about it - it isn't going to work.... you need to practice on a lot of inconsequential projects to even start to get an understanding.........

Additionally - if your mixes don't sound "fat" (or is that "phat") enough, I would suspect the issue is more with your mix itself rather than something to be corrected by the mastering process.

In any case - I know you'll ignore what I just said and go ahead anyways so check out Bob Katz's Mastering Tips for some good info regarding the mastering process.

;)
 
mentil69 said:
My only problem is that i dont know the process of mastering. What do i do to really fatten up the overall sound of each song?

Not knowing the process is the biggest reason why software isn't very helpful. While some aspects of sweetening can be done on SF 6.0, it takes a pretty intense understanding of audio to be able to use the tools to your advantage. As far as fattening up the track, just a basic boost in the low end with some compression, 2:1 or 3:1 max, fast attack as possible, medium release with you ridng the threshold until the light bulb in your head lights up. Keep away from any functions labeled normalize or maximize. Use these as basic starting points and then play with the variables, your learn hopefully what hurts and what helps. Everyone's gotta start somewhere I say. If you expecting professional results, you in for a long wait. Took me a while to get 1/4 of the way there. Try doing the mixes to the best of your ability, then have someone else listen to the mix and tell you what their perceptions are, then go back and remix, rinse and repeat until the remixes become less often. Usually, mastering guys are fixing small frequency problems that occurred from the mix room, mixing and mastering in the same room, with the same ears and speakers is usually a waste of time. Its like one handed man doing hand surgery on his own hand. If your absolutely rabid about learning this , try making an alternative place for it. When I first started I took a PC with several pieces of software and hardware into a different room. Mastering is a life long learning process that changes with every song, every day is different. No presets allowed. Mastering is not intended to fix mixes, just enhance them. More often than not, a mastering engineer will return mixes done by inexperienced mixers with a nice list of areas to work on.

SoMm
 
thanks for all the help. Just to clear things up, I have enough confidence in my mixes and recording not to use mastering at all, but as you probably know, most engineers are always looking for ways to improve. Im not trying to fix any problems beecause there is nothing seriously wrong with my mixes, im just trying to enhance what has already been recorded.
 
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Blue Bear Sound said:
if you are just getting your feet wet with "self-mastering", then you can count on butchering a lot of material before you start improving your 2-track mixes.

I second this whole-heartedly! Just yesterday I listened to a "home-mastered" version of a song I mixed and "ass"-tered... yikes! I cut the damn thing off at the knees. I sucked all the balls out of it, smoothed out all the punch, and ended up with a complete turd. Funny-- it sounded pretty good *while* I was "ass"-tering it. (Damn lying ears.... ;) )

Like SoMm said, don't normalize! :)

In the days before I found this BBS, I used to simply "normalize to RMS," which in SoundForge will, rather than simply bring the highest peak to 0dB, bring the RMS level up to what you set... and anything that would clip from such a gain increase gets brutally limited. Everything sounded nice and bigger, louder, heavier (it was hardcore/metal stuff). Cool, right? Then I played it on a better stereo system with better high-end response... Oh My God, What Did I Do? Every time a tom was hit, the top frequencies would simply vanish into a sea of digital distortion (or vanish altogether). It almost sounded like a bad section of cassette tape (but only on the tom hits). I learned the error of my ways right quick then. (Now I just have to learn how not to do that with the compressor. :D I'm still butchering a lot of material. :D ;) :) )
 
Im reading it right now actually, do you think i can do more with the finalizer then I can with Sound Forge?
 
I didn't give you that link to endorse the Finalizer - just read Bob Katz's tips!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
haha dont worry about it im not going to go out and buy the finalizer, im reading his tips, its starting to seem like i should take this all pretty slowly and just keep learning from my mistakes, rather than try to master the first demo im doing in about four weeks.
 
mentil69 said:
haha dont worry about it im not going to go out and buy the finalizer, im reading his tips, its starting to seem like i should take this all pretty slowly and just keep learning from my mistakes, rather than try to master the first demo im doing in about four weeks.

hey dude.....I just read another one of your threads where you are just now trying to learn how to "overdub".
If thats the case,learning how to master your material should be the last thing on your list of things to do.:D
 
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esactun said:
I'm still butchering a lot of material. :D ;) :) )

Yeah, so are alot of Mastering Engineers!

The so called Mastering Mafia!

SoMm
 
I just got Ozone Izotope

This program gives you more of a quick Mastering sound than Sound Forge does.. I consider myself as a beginner to music production all together and this program called Ozone Izotope let me play real quick and easy and I finally got a HOTT signal that does not sound like Normalized squashed music.

Retail is $200

The features include a Harmonic Exciter, Multiband Dynamics, Mastering Reverb, and a few more I cannot remember... Look it up on Google OZONE Izotope.

Late.
 
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Son of Mixerman said:
Yeah, so are alot of Mastering Engineers!

The so called Mastering Mafia!

SoMm

Yeah, but if I had limiters like those guys....

oooooo.....

But I still wouldn't squash everything to absolute death like they did with System of a Down's "Toxicity"... I like to hear the snare drum every now and then.... ;)

Not like I have any right to be using such equipment. With just one application of multiband compression, I can quickly destroy any sonically pleasing low end that a mix might have had! Take your pick-- overbearing rumble or thin 'n' tinny.... :D Oops, now the one-guitar intro riff is louder than the whole band... Oh, so THIS is what they really mean by "pumping and breathing".... ;)
I'm the guy with the SoundBlaster who drooled at GC while getting to twiddle a knob or to on an LA-2A. There was no signal going through it, either....

But I have some remaining grip on reality. I played around on one of their 7-string bass guitars for a minute or two and realized it's a piece of gear to ridiculous even for me. :D A five-inch-wide fretboard! :eek: But I digress....

PS: Are you truly the son of PSW's MixerMan?
 
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esactun said:

PS: Are you truly the son of PSW's MixerMan?
No, I may act like Im six years old on occasion though. Im a nobody. Move along...

SoMm
 
Hi - As much as I agree with the Bear that Mastering is best done professionally, I'm a little less convinced that it can't be done by the home recordist, or that any attempt to do so will end up butchering you material. But it is something that is very different from mixing, and can only be successfully approached with a completely different mindset than the one you mix with.
Mixing is a creative process, mastering is a surgical one. Everything you do in mastering is for a specific reason. Turning knobs to see what happens doesn't cut it. It's too easy to fix one thing and not realize that you've completely whacked everything else in the process. And with cheap monitors in an untreated room, you'll really have a hard time.

If you approach mastering the same way you approach mixing, you'll just be trying to accomplish the same thing you we're trying to do during mixing, only with less control because you now are working with just a stereo track. For this reason, going into mastering with a mix you are not happy with is doomed from the start. Read this paragraph again!!!

Once you have a mix that you are happy with, then there's some things that the home mastering engineer can do, and do well. The first step in mastering is to arrange the songs on a project in the order they want to be in, and with the correct fades and spacing. This means listening to them in context, and repeatedly listening to the last 15 seconds and the first 15 seconds of each song to get a feel for how they transition. At the same time, listen to the relative levels of the songs. Meters don't tell the story here, especially peak meters. Perceived level is not represented well by meters, and is better measured by ear. Also, every song on a CD doesn't necessarily want to be as loud as possible, especially ballads. Another thing to listen for is large changes in frequency content between songs, the kind of changes that make a listener want to get up and adjust the EQ on their stereo on one song, and then want to adjust again for the next. Tonal and level consistancy is what we're trying to achieve, and if it's that the bass is mixed too high in one song, then don't cut the lows on the stereo file, go back and fix the mix. Only subtle changes should be necessary in mastering. If you have to grab a bunch of EQ to fix something, then you are almost certainly destroying something else.

There are some very good tools for mastering that are now available for home use, but they are not easy to use, and again, misuse will damage your mix. If you are willing to invest the time to learn them properly, plugins such as the Waves C4 compressor and L1 or L2 Ultramaximizer can be very effective at punching up your master, and bringing the perceived volume up to compete with commercial CD's. The ultramaximizer is relatively easy to use, the Multiband compressor, any multiband compressor, is very hard to learn, and presets are almost useless. If you're willing to invest the time to learn them, they are powerful tools, but it will take time.

Ok, I've rambled on enough. Give the link that the Bear gave you a good read, it is excellent. Also, go to http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/ozone/ozoneguide.html
and read the Ozone mastering guide, even if your not gonna use Ozone. It was written as a non software specific guide to mastering and is very good.

Best of luck, RD
 
Slow down Kramer, I know what overdubbing is but I didnt know it was called that. I pretty much know my stuff when it comes to recording considering I have never attended school for it. Reguarding mastering, Im just trying to offer an alternative option to expensive mastering to some of the people that come into my studio with out that much money.
 
mentil69 said:
Reguarding mastering, Im just trying to offer an alternative option to expensive mastering to some of the people that come into my studio with out that much money.
Hey Dude, if your clients like your work, who cares how you did it.
Mastering is too hyped.
 
well i hope you know your shit cause i doubt im gonna master it
 
mentil69 said:
Slow down Kramer, I know what overdubbing is but I didnt know it was called that. I pretty much know my stuff when it comes to recording considering I have never attended school for it. Reguarding mastering, Im just trying to offer an alternative option to expensive mastering to some of the people that come into my studio with out that much money.

You have a studio and you just learned what the term "Overdubbing" means?
 
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