Mastering help

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Gabriel Sousa

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Hello ppl, i am new in audio recording, and i dont know what efects or procedures i have to make to mastering audio.

I want to mastering a band rock, drums, guitars, bass and vocals.

Can you help me ?

Thanks
 
I can help you, if you want a real well done master listen very close... TAKE IT TO A MASTERING HOUSE!

Not trying to sound bad but it would be a shame to see someone get a nice recording and then screw it up trying to master it, don't waste your money. It takes years of learning to begin to master something. You might get some tips from others here but for the most part self-mastering is certain death....

Goodluck,

Cody Young

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"All the power of digital and the warmth of, well, , digital"
 
I hear you, Shakes, and I agree.

I also agree with Gabriel. I'm pretty curious about mastering. I know that I can't do it well becuase I try: I'm always running my mixes through this or that plug-in to see what I can do with it. What compression setting are appropriate for program material? I don't know, but I can fiddle with it and see what my ears tell me. What about that multiband limiter? How can that change the sound? Oh...yuck...I didn't do that right...but what if I adjusted this...

I'm curious about it, not because I think I can do it myself right now, but because I want to start getting a sense just of what it is. If I start now, maybe I'll have some good experience 15 years down the road. To me, practicing mastering is more along the lines of ear training. Practice and have fun...but send your mix for commercial products to a mastering house.

Ultimately, I think that a thread about mastering would lead to a deeper understanding of why good mixing is so important. Just a guess, though, I really don't understand the process of mastering (or mixing, for that matter) that well.

Take care,
Chris
 
multiband compression

One mastering tool I love is multiband compression. That way you can distinguish the compression on your low freq's from that on your high. This prevents your mix from losing its air in the highs because a punchy bass keeps kicking in the compression across the entire signal.

Btw, I'm doing the mastering for the learning experience. If you have a mix that you truly want to sound professional, Shakes is right that a mastering house is the correct process.


-B
 
Yes by all means if you are just screwing around have fun messing with it ;-) My studio is like 2 blocks from Masterphonics here in Nashville. You wouldn't believe the sh&t they have in there. Stuff I have never heard of.. Anyway yeah if its just for you and its not a paid for project smush it with compression, eq the hell out of it hehe just have fun..
 
YO Shakey One and others:

You know and I know that big studios have gear in there that would mystify most home recording folks like us. However, with our meager gear and extreme talent and devoted determination, it's a real pleasure to come up with a recording and mix and a good CD that rivals the big guys. Hey, that's why it's fun.

I'd like to have a Martinsound Mic Preamp; however, it's a bit out of my financial range and practical range and business range. So, I use what I have and tweak the mix to get the best out of my gear and it's a contant learning experience, thanks to you guys and gals out there.



Green Hornet
 
Seems like I've read that a lot: mastering gear is very different than the stuff that most folks have. I'm assuming that it is even different than stuff that you'd find in pro recording studios.

I'm curious what makes and models you'd find in a mastering house? Reading up on that equiptment might be a good place to start getting a sense of what mastering engineers do to the signal.

Of course, it might also be the best place to start if I want to become totally dissatisfied with the equipment that I have. ;)

Take care,
Chris
 
Chris Shaeffer said:
Seems like I've read that a lot: mastering gear is very different than the stuff that most folks have. I'm assuming that it is even different than stuff that you'd find in pro recording studios.

I'm curious what makes and models you'd find in a mastering house? Reading up on that equiptment might be a good place to start getting a sense of what mastering engineers do to the signal.

Of course, it might also be the best place to start if I want to become totally dissatisfied with the equipment that I have. ;)

Take care,
Chris

Hey Chris, it just noticed that you are from Portland too! Scant few puddle city guys around this board.

Anyway, one of my friends owns a mastering studio that is housed at the old Whitehorse studio building on SW 17th and Alder. http://www.freqmastering.com . Check out his gear on the website to get an idea of the LEAST you would need to have the "real" stuff to do world class mastering.

You in any bands in Portland? In light of all these other geographical "mini conventions" going on, there may just be enough of of webfeet to have our own here! LOL....

Ed
 
sonusman,
FREQ has a plush pad..... Looking at his equipment, I was wondering what he does for malformed tracks like the ones I produce....flat and no life. I just see ad/da converters, eq's and compressors. I don't see equipment that touches on the spacial aspects.

But wow does he have a nice place....

bob
 
Hey Ed,

Nope, not in any bands- too d@mn busy with my day job(s), though I've been thinking about it. Know anyone who needs a singer or rythm guitar (or both?) ;)

What would we do at a Portland mini-convention? Let's see...we'll need esspresso, wine....hmmm...if we're outside we'll need lots of sunblock this time of year. What is the "sun", anyway?...oh gosh, how could I forget the microbrew?! :cool: How 'bout some Hair of the Dog?

Back "on" topic...

I think I've figured out another reason why meaty conversations about mastering are hard to find: it has got to be an incredibly subjective art. Mixing is hard enough to develop a good ear for- and there are some well established guidelines to start from. Picking up where a good mixing engineer has left off...

There is one thing that I think I'm going to try. I think VOXVENDOR mentioned it on a different thread, and you (Ed) reminded me of on yet another: sending a digital mix to VHS for thickening. I thought that the VCR could retire to movies when my 4-track cashed in, but perhaps not.

Take care,
Chris
 
Well, to all the other webfeet, I think the idea of a miniconvention is great. How bout someplace classic like Huber's or one of the brewpubs? Maybe a post in the Dragon Cave? Ed?

In keeping with this thread. I am strickly shadetree in music with a day job that keeps me busy. However, I am doing my first CD now. I am going to do a lot of the mixing (with help), but my piano teacher strongly recommends getting it mastered. He has about 13-15 CDs out and sells quite a few. By my standards, his ears are "golden" and he has some great equipment. He still has his mastered.

Ed, who do you know a Whitehorse?... I've met Tim Ellis a few times.
 
I have ran into Dave Fiedlander a few times and Tim Ellis here and there. Used to have a girlfriend that was the receptionist there when it was Spectrum Studios way back when (showing my age? :)) I also occasionally go out and get drunk with Ryan Foster (Freq's co-owner/lead engineer). The likes of Tim Ellis is getting out of my realm. I like to deal on the edge a bit....:)

Not too down with Hubers really. The brewpubs are sort of boring too. I am thinking someplace like Kelly's Olympian as a meet up! Now THAT is a drinking establishment with some history....:)

I think a mini-convertion later this summer would be cool.

If you all are not doing anything on Friday June 1st, head down to the Fun Center and check out the band I am working with, The Red Sector. They go on at 7:30pm. I will be at the console mixing, and then off to the Paris Theatre for my regular sound job right after that. Come by the KNRK stage and say hi and check out the band.

bevins, I am sure Freq's Sadie system has plenty of plug in's available for spacial effects if they were needed. Although, I would have to say that if you tracks are too flat with little life, NO plug in is going to help that much. Mastering is best done with doing as little as possible. I just spent 14 hours mastering a rap CD today for a local band. I used just a touch of EQ, then the Maxx Bass plug in by Waves to get the bottom really big (mind you, there was already a tight good sounding bottom on the mixes, so the Maxx Bass was used sparingly to "help out" a bit more) then a bit of Limiting with the Waves L1, then the producer liked the effect of the Steinberg Loudness Maximizer, so that was used to increase most of the gain. I would say I never did any more than 3dB cut/boost on no more than 2 bands of EQ, and the gain increase was overall about 3 to 4 dB on the mix. The main difference that was heard when all the effects were turned off was that with them, the mix was slightly louder with a fuller bottom. Not as drastic of a thing as you might think.

I have heard the results of people trying to "expand" their mixes with Spectral effects and usually a lot of garbage and a very cold sound is introduced from them. Unless you REALLY know what you are doing, and just HAVE to have the limited, and potentially damaging effects they produce re-mixing is usually a better way to go to achieve more "life" in the sound.

There is no part of recording that is easy to learn. I feel that effective engineering comes from having competent tools to work with, being well read on signal path, and enough experience to know when you are hearing a good sound. I have found that inexperienced people don't usually know when they have a sound on something that is really good. They seem to concentrate on the wrong things. I don't know, it is hard to explain really. I just find myself more and more leaving things alone and the results come out much better. Track it well and the mixing will go well, which makes the mastering very easy to do (provided that you know when enough is enough...a hard thing to learn).

Don't underestimate having good tools. Not all the gear out there is very forgiving to inexperienced users.

Ed
 
Wow. Sounds like mastering (and probably good mixing) involves paying VERY close attention to what sounds good, what can be enhanced, and how a small change here will affect things over there.

This also seems like the finesse of mastering. Isn't there also a nuts-n-bolts aspect to it?

Having all 10 songs on the CD digitally normalized to 0 dB won't make them equally loud. Each song is mixed seperately so the mastering engineer looks at the whole project and tweaks the...EQ?...light compression?...to bring all the songs to the same percieved loudness, right? Treating each song seperately to bring them all together as a whole.

Could basic mastering be summed up as getting all songs to the same percieved level without changing the original mixs?

Or is that also the fineese? I guess you'd have to chose which freqs you cut or boost to adjust the level of the songs without altering the orginal sound of it.

OK. Time to go to bed before I REALLY start rambling. ;) I love thinking about this stuff.

Take care,
Chris
 
I am working on a couple projects now but I have learned from you guys, I really should fork out the bucks to get my mastering done by professionals. I was looking on a few posts and found a couple good sites that would do it. I hear you guys talk about how expensive it is. I got one site from here. DRTMastering.com. He is not really that expensive. about 1500.00 would do it for my cd. Is this a reasonable price? Its not as as expensive as I thought.

I can send them a song and they will work on it so I can get a taste of their work.

It seems reasonable for professional quality work. I am thinking on spending the money to get 1,000 cd's pressed. that works out to about 2,000.00 canadian. plus the 1500.00 in mastering.

Is this industry standard?
 
Man, that FREQ place looks pretty f'n posh. I'm sure they do good work, but I don't think I'd be giving them my business. I'd rather send my stuff to a guy that works out of his basement and uses his proceeds to buy gear and pay the rent rather than making his place look like the damn Ritz-Carlton.
 
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