Mastering - A must or a should do?

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I know mastering is a critical part of the recording/producing process.
Here's what I do:
I use a mackie CFX [live] mixer as a submixer to go into a vs840ex. I use behringer compressors [despite everyone's hatred, i DO like them; its better than 3630 and just as good as the 266xl]. Additionally, I use Event 2020 for monitoring. Here's my deal, I get really good sound - better than what most novices would get with the gear I have. As far as mics, I have a few 57's, two oktavas mc012, rode nt2, and other cheap samson mics. When I go to mix, the sound is very clean. I dump it to pc via rca outs, convert it to the meager 1/8" input on my pc and use cool edit to do any level adjustments. I don't really mess with it too much there. My problem is this: When I use the above process, the sound is good, but i feel like its too dead in front of you. In sounds good, and ironically the stereo image is well preserved, but when i listen to other cds, it sounds like they aren't so dry-ly infront of you, almost as if they've been pushed back a bit, while maintaining its gain.
Another thing i noticed is that when I do a live recording of a jam session by merely placing an xy pair of mc012's from the board directly to consumer tape deck, the sound is fat! its not clean, but its very fat.
The potential variables I think exist are:
1 cheap soundcard
2 NO mastering??
3 1/8" conversion does not reproduce frequencies adequately

The only variable that seems to make sense is #2 - the mastering. This is because I've actually dumped the live recordings from the TApe out into the pc, and it sounds relatively good.

I know that I obviously dont have pro gear. However, I'm a faithful believer in working with what you got - after all, when you have a studer console, 2" reel to reel, and a perfectly controlled environment, its almost hard to go WRONG. The true trick is coming up with good results using gear that most cast away as "cheap, imitation, semipro" stuff.

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Here's another point that makes sense:

tape compression!

Tape can do a lot of good things for you, not just compressing/limiting the signal, but changing it sonically in a simply beautiful way. So, even when you record into a consumer tape recorder, the sound will be 'better' than it would be when recording directly into the digital domain. At least this is the impression I got from my own work. Look at the real pros: there are quite a lot of them that record on 2" tape, just to copy it into the digital domain to edit it. And why do they do it? Because it sounds good.
My recommendation would be that you checked out Tape Simulation PlugIns like the AIPL WarmTone. I use it in the mastering process and especially on the drum tracks. A kick drum sounds so much fatter when processed with it.

Apart from that, I think that you really CAN do wrong with pro gear, just because you got so many possibilities. Using them to the right extent is the art.
 
Everybody else seems to try to get that "in front" sound, so I guess you've succeded. :)
 
Well you have some nice stuff there. Sending it all to a $20 soundcard seems like a waste. So IMO, upgrading your soundcard may be your best route, if you plan on doing a lot of editing on your computer.
 
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Well you have some nice stuff there. Sending it all to a $20 soundcard seems like a waste. So IMO, upgrading your soundcard may be your best route, if you plan on doing a lot of editing on your computer.

I thought I was the only one to notice this also. I second what Emeric_2 said. You should get an audio card with digital ins so that you can send a file digitally to the computer for editing and home mastering (journeymaning). No sense wasting all of your work with an el-cheapo sound card. Event Electronics makes the Gina and Darla soundcards. A few other companies make some pretty solid cards for audio. Ed (sonusman) swears by the Lynx One card. Check them out your audio will be glad that you did.

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Thanks for the input. I realize my soundcard sucks. The only reason why I haven't really upgraded is due to the fact that I want to avoid computer assisted recording, although its seemingly impossible due to its cost effectiveness and time efficiency!

I've actually considered purchasing the GINA or DARLA. I currently own CUBASE VST/24, but I don't have the manual, so I'm kinda stuck.

The only inconsistancy with the hole soundcard issue is that when I run tape out into the 1/8", the sound is maintained. Hence, this almost eliminates the card as the main variable and shifts the ball back to my vs840ex. Again, it sounds good, but I'm wondering how mastering, if it is mainly compression and eq, would, if at all, make it sound more expanded. I guess what my question is is whether I should add some reverb to the stereo mix, and if so, what are recommended settings?
 
Heres a real simple suggestion: panning!!! You say your mixes sound too up front, maybe youre not panning wide enough. Try panning wider and upping the reverb a couple of notches. That should set things back and give it more space.
 
I , like Pilgrim, do sense that this is a mixing issue...the use of panning, volumne, reverb to push the sounds up, down, side to side, back, etc would help...what would really help is an MP3 encoded at least 192kbps....
 
All other things aside, to answer the original question...
Of course mastering is not a must, but yes it is a "should do" especially If you want that industry asandard "ready for radio" sound......
 
I do have a few channels panned hard left and hard right. There are two stereo pairs on the vs840ex, so that kinda forces me to do it. I usually bounce several guitar parts to [5/6] and drums to [7/8]. The other channels are also spread out along the pan field.

Voxvendor: Really?? I hear all kinds of people rant about how mastering is the only assurance to getting a good finalized sound.

ONe last question: Prosonus blue, Behringer "tube" mic pre, or Joe Meek (VC3Q - something like that)? I know this has been beat to the floor in other forums, but I just need some opinions w/justificatoins. I can get a good deal on the Behringer mic pre, $100. Will is really sound $100-200 better than just plugin my NT2 to the mackie? I imagine it should, since the pre's on this board aren't even XDR pre's, being a live board.
 
Well, technically nothing is a *must do.* You can do darn well as you please. For me, I'd consider it a must do. If it were something that I wanted to be a comercial success I'd also want someone with years of industry experience and a few comercial successes to their name do the work rather than me. But thats just me.

See if you can hunt up a few before and after examples, that should help you make up your mind.
 
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