Making a correction.

[sonusman]

I have recently recommended a CAD R11 for kick drum.

I was mistaken on the exact model number. Sorry.

CAD NDM 11 is the model number.

CAD used to sell a "drum pack" of three mics for sort of cheap. It included 1 NDM 11 and 2 NDM 10's. The 10's were I guess designed for snare and toms. Both mics have a pre-emphasised sound, meaning, eq is sort of built into them, much like a AKG D112 and such.

I really like the NDM 11 for kick when a cheap kick mic is sought. I find that it works much better on most kick drums than a D112 does. Compared to a AT Pro 25 and Shure Beta 52, no comparison, the NDM 11 has much better attack and a deeper bottom end.

The NDM 10's seem to work best of very dull, non-attack sounding toms. They really have a bright top end to them that is a little too much for toms with a good attack already. On these types of tom sounds, the sound winds up sounding like a trigger, and I have had people actually ask me if I was trigger the toms, in a LIVE situation!!! Oh boy..... So, if that is the type of tom sound you are after (I would ask why first....) or you have a tom sound that is very dull with little attack and want some attack, these are your mics.

I do no believe that CAD is selling this drum pack anymore. They seem to have a new one available. Not sure how they sound, so buyer beware!!!

On a side not about the NDM 10's. I have had both windscreens fall off of them. If you do buy them, I would recommend applying some sort of epoxy or superglue, just a dab, at the other side of the windscreen where it fits into the capsule. This will save you grief.... The NDM 11 has a different windscreen design in that it is a screw on type like a SM 58, so no need to worry about it falling off.

Anyway, just though I would correct that.

Ed

 

[darrin_h2000]

In Home recording magazine this month theres an artical on how the pro's mike thier drums. Including Simon Philips' secret on how his drum sound is done?

In my opinion his sound is great. Have you read this? what is your opinion on his method?

 

[MrZekeMan]

Sonus,

You talked in another thread about the importance of tuning the drums. Is there any links that you know of that describe how to tune the drums for recording?

Zeke

 

[sonusman]

This is possibly much better suited for the drum forum.

I have heard a lot of Simone Philips work, and in every era and genre I have heard him in, his drums sounded very good and appropriate. No, I didn't read the article, and probably won't to tell you the truth. My method of micing drums is to move the mics until they sound right.....

I am willing to bet that a search on Drum Tuning on http://www.google.com would turn up many fine articles about tuning drums. I prefer very ringy, natural sounding toms, dead kick drums, and snappy snares, but many have achieved great results with other types of sounds. To each their own. Even tension on all the lugs is important, and the relationship between top and bottom head is important for effecting sustain. I don't like dampening at all and found that it is usually not needed except on 16" or bigger floor toms, which I don't like the sound of anyway, so anyone using them, I just gate the hell out of it to shorten sustain and usually have to add a lot of high end eq to get a good attack on.

Anyway, the opinions on tuning and micing techniques run the gambit for drums.

Ed

 

[MrZekeMan]

Duh!!!!!

Thanks Sonus,

Mucho info.