Major Dissappointment

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I just bought the JV1010 and liked the strings section. I thought everything else sucked, so I need some feedback on a unit under $1500 that has realistic guitars (especially 12 string) organs, and pianos and strings. If I am asking too much for the price of $1500, let me know that too. Please keep in mind that I hate the Roland JV1010- and anything better would be an improvement.
 
Being a guitarist...

...I have NEVER heard a synth that has good guitar sounds (and I've heard some excellent synths!) So it may be a question of simply adjusting your expectations, or maybe the JV1010 DOES suck exceptionally!

If you are really concerned about sound quality, then bite the bullet, pay the bucks, and get yourself a Kurzweil!

:)
 
I think the main issue with most any kind of guitar is the variances in its sound over tme. There are lots of sample play back synthesizers that have nice clean guitar sounds, however they are just samples and that becomes stagnant fast.

Maybe another way to go is a sampler with a few guitar sample CDs? Nothing however will replace the real thing.
 
Overall. seriosly- what would be the best one to buy. the 3080, the triton, the 5080? I am not gonna let this whip me. I would be satisfied with just a solid 12 string and I have heard some fine ones on synths, but that was back a few years earlier on a keyboard synth and no, I cannot remember the name. I just need a GREAT overall module woth some really great pianos strings etc. Whatcha think?
 
The EMU Proteus (no longer made) had a "decent" 12 string (and 6 string) accoustic - But I gotta agree with Blue Bear - synths/samplers don't do guitars well (too many overtones, harmonics, etc). I did find that running guitar samples through guitar processing gear and amps actually helped - some.

I spent a couple of years with different synths and samples (and different recording techniques) I too was determine "it wasn't going to whip me". Finally decided I would rather spend time to develop "decent" guitar chops. I now record my own guitar parts - useing real guitars. I didn't spend any more on a couple of guitars and a Pod than I did on all the synths and sample CDs I bought trying to duplicate a guitar sound.

The biggest investment was time - which simply meant my drum/keyboard chops have suffered a little. The up side is I now get realistic guitar tracks and have much better guitar chops then I did a couple of years ago. If I would have accepted this logic a couple of years sooner - I would probably have pretty good guitar chops and fewer samples I don't use (or need).

I'm not saying it's the way everyone would choose to go - but learning to play multiple instruments ain't the worst thing to do.
 
I appreciate your input. I am actually trying to avoid buying a 12 string guitar. I can play a guitar, and strumming a 12 string would be just another thing, but I know me. If I buy one, it will have to be a good one, and I have a hard time settling. I would probably end up getting a Taylor to be honest. But anyway, I think I am going to keep my little roland. After talking it over with my wife, I almost decided to get the Kurzweill, but we decided it was too much money to spend right before Christmas time, and she's right. I am glad I have a wife that can think for me whenever I can't. Thanks guys for everything- I am going to go sulk for awhile now.....
 
the sound quality is one thing, but the actual programming of guitar strumming is hard enough. you could find some synths with passable overdriven guitar sounds for a solo, but still, they wont be as god as the real thing. get the triton out of the load of synths you mentioned. YOU WILL NOT BE DISSAPOINTED.
 
i've had the roland scc-1, sc-55, sc-88, sc-880, and now the xv-3080, and I love the 12 -string guitar sound of the 880 and 3080, and the muted guitar on each of them. also, i just got the sr-jv-02 orchestra card and the strings and wind sounds are pretty darn good. roland doesn't make a pure guitar card, but i've heard that the session card has some good guitar sounds.

once you find a decent 12-string guitar sound (i assume your using arpeggios and not strumming cause almost all synth strumming sounds like sh*t) adding some delay to the track will really help.

if you find a really good acoustic or nylon guitar patch what you can do to get a 12-string feel is to OCTAVE double and slide the notes that would come from the lowest 3 strings (e-a-d) then double and slide the notes that would come fromthe highest 3 strings (g-b-e) then add whatever reverb and delay to the track that you need.
 
Horseshoe, Holy Moly, I think you bought the JV1010 because of me (actually, lots of people have around here). Well, I was gonna say sorry, but I read that old post again and can stick with everything I said, but at least I feel bad that the JV 1010 is not for you, cause the price is right.

Dont sulk...

Before you look at a different keyboard, keep in mind what the guys have written on this thread; Synths arent great for doing stringed instruments of any type. However, the trick is to know what they can and cant do.
As crossstudio said, you cant possibly get a strumming sound out of a synth, only arpeggios and rolled chords. I have my JV1010 on right now; If you were here, I guarantee you that I can get a good 12-string sound if I play the right excerpt of music.

Do you know Pink Floyd "the Wall"? There is a tune called Nobodys Home, or something like that. I believe right before it there is a guitar interlude, check it out, then try to play it on a synth; it will sound pretty good, it is just arpeggios.

Then listen to "And you and I" by YES, the part where the Vocals come in. No synth in the world could make that kind of a sound,
so my point is that synths can emulate some string sounds, but it has to be very specific.

Bruce (Blue Bear) nailed it; synths dont have great guitars, and if you want the ultimate synth get a Kurzweil.
I had a Kurzweil K-2000, certainly impressive, but it is not going to get a much better sound then the JV1010, unless you know how to tweak it and know the limitations of each patch. If you play a Mozart violin Concerto on a synth, it will sound like a toy, but if you play some slow pads with a violin patch, it will do.

If you dont like the sounds on the JV1010, dont look at the 1080 or 2080 etc. They are the exact sounds, however I think the more expensive Rolands have better converters. The Korg Triton is certainly a great synth, the problem with synths is the cost difference between various models, and paying for stuff you dont need. ( I dont need a sampler, touch screen, sequencer, etc).

I am curious as to what you are playing the JV1010 through. I have a pair of Tannoy's, and some of the Church Organs are fantastic.

Sorry you didnt care for the JV1010, I hope you find something more to your liking soon. Cheers, Dave
 
JV-1010 is a major dissapointment?

I see that thehorseshoe thought the JV-1010's sounds sucked(other than the strings). Certainly different people have different tastes in sounds, but how can you say the sounds sucked? I gotta agree with DavidK that there are some great organ sounds, and I think there are some cool synth sounds and some interesting treatments of "real" instruments (like the New Age Flute, Orch/Brass#86). I mean, it may not sound exactly like a real flute, but what a cool sound! The $395 price ain't bad either.

Anyway, I agree that the guitar sounds are never good on a synth, but then again, if you are looking for the "real" sound that you get from a sampler, I don't think any synth will do the job. Heck, what's so wrong with spending some money on a good 12-string? You'll be spending just as much on a synth to sound like it, but you'll have the real thing!
 
have no illusions, your not going to get killer orchestral, organ, guitar blah blah blah on a $400 do it all synth module. ive had a jv1010 for a year now and i like it for somethings... mostly the pad samples but the piano samples are not to my satisfaction. my kurzeil has some nicer piano samples but i shelled out alot more money for it. samples will never sound as detailed and full as the original instruments its sad but true.
however, the jv1010 is good for the price and the best in its class, i just wished sound diver didnt suck so badly
 
We have a Yamaha mu128 we use this with yamaha xg works program, the gtr sounds are great once you transform to xg and don`t use gm, good acoustic gtr`s. It also takes three extra boards if needed.
 
JV1010

I too own a JV 1010, as well as other modules. I'm very surprised that horeshoe said the sounds sucked.Not only are there a ton of usable sounds in this box (usually a rarity in modules), but
I feel that the guitar sounds are quite good for a module in this price range. I mean, there's even one that emulates the string squeak.

Horseshoe, if you absolutely can't use the JV1010, and you say you have about $1500 to spend, why not check out the E-mu E5000, or the 6400 series (probably a little more $)

Or check out the Akai series.....

Both these sample formats are interchangable, and the libraries are extensive.

You can also modify these samples to your liking. Or, you could sample a friend or band member's playing

Good luck. Remember, nothing beats the sound of a real guitar.

Tony
 
crosstudio said:
if you find a really good acoustic or nylon guitar patch what you can do to get a 12-string feel is to OCTAVE double and slide the notes that would come from the lowest 3 strings (e-a-d) then double and slide the notes that would come fromthe highest 3 strings (g-b-e) then add whatever reverb and delay to the track that you need.
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You could bring this suggestion one step closer to a real 12 string sound by building the same effect (detune on an effects processor) off of a miced 6 string guitar. (which he said he owns and knows how to play).

That would be the best solution to the immediate problem, though I doubt it's going to change his opinion of the 1010 patches.
 
The latest issue of Sound on Sound has an in depth article on why it's impossible to simulate plucked strings. :)
 
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