mackie vs. behringer 24ch mixers

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i have $1000 and want to buy a mixer for live music. I can get a 2yr old mackie SR24x4 which has rarely been used for $800(cdn)...or...the behringer SL2442 Fx-Pro looks pretty impressive with 24-bit digit effects for $689 (cdn). Which one would you recommend i purchase?
 
I would prefer the Mackie. My church has one and it is one of the best mixers i've ever used.
 
gitrguy87 said:
I would prefer the Mackie. My church has one and it is one of the best mixers i've ever used.


Haven't used many mixers have ya? :D
 
I'd recommend you get the Mackie. Behringer gear is designed to *look* impressive, but I wouldn't trust it hold up in live sound situations. For the money you are talking about, a Mackie or maybe Soundcraft mixer will be the best options in my opinion.
 
I'd toss in a vote for an Allen and Heath Mixwizard before either one of these boards. :)
 
the only mixer to crap out on me during a show was a mackie
 
Mackie is overpriced. The Yamaha MG series is near as good for a fraction of the price.

Don't buy a Behringer one!

Soundcraft haven't made a crap mixer that I'm aware of. I think my M12 was fabulous value for money, and I've used their LX7s for live stuff before, and a Spirit Studio 24 for recording. But I'm quite attached to the 'Britishness' of them!

Allen & Heath if you can afford it ... a new mix wizard came out recently so perhaps the older versions will be cheaper now? Also British ... !
 
I really wouldn't mess with a Behringer or a Mackie VLZ-x series console. Even the Yamaha would be a better choice in my opinion. As far as the Soundcrafts go, I also wouldn't touch a Spirit anything. They develop problems very easily and have really wierd harmonic transients.

The new mackie onyx stuff is really very different from the old stuff. The pre's are similar, but the EQ is MUCH better than the old Mackie stuff. The old Allen Heath Mix Wiz's are very fair little boards. You may pay a little bit more than you would for some of the others, but the build quality and sound of the board makes up for it. The new Mix Wiz actually sounds even better yet as well as adding a couple more trivial features. The new Soundcraft's (non spirit) are also a great little bang for your buck mixer.

As far as Spirit consoles being "British".... I think that if the people that are designing "british" sounding consoles new people were saying that, they would have heart attacks. The older Soundcraft stuff though (series 600, 200, 800 etc....) really was pretty decent stuff though. Personally, even though i like the newer Allen Heath stuff, I think the older stuff sounds much better. The same goes with Soundtracs. I think maybe one of the only "British" companies I can think of that seems to make better stuff with time is probably Midas. But then Midas doesn't come cheap.
 
Thanks for the advice, i've gotta start somewhere so i'm gonna take a chance and purchase the mackie SR24. Since i've got little experience, anything would be better than my current behr UB1204.
 
Fair enough - I still think you'd be wiser to get a Yamaha, but you take your choice. :)
 
I have a mackie DFX 12 that I think sounds pretty good. With the exception of white noise you get when using onboard effects or the master EQ, you get a nice clean sound out of it.
 
I've used a CFX16 that was pretty decent - but that was live use only. They just seem very expensive for what you get (although I haven't tried the DFX ones).
 
noisedude said:
I've used a CFX16 that was pretty decent - but that was live use only. They just seem very expensive for what you get (although I haven't tried the DFX ones).
It was expensive, but I didn't want to wait for mail delivery and GC was out of MG12's and MG16's . So I went with the Mackie DFX 12. Its a solid unit, but I probably wouldnt have bought it if the Yamaha's were in stock. Oh well at least I get some cheap effects and a cheap EQ. Seriously though, its got 6 XLR inputs which is a plus compared to some 12 ch mixers that only have 4. 8 would have been nice though. The pre's are useable, I'm just about positive I could throw it against the wall and it will still work. So I am happy.
 
i'm not too sure about mackie or yamaha or behringer
mackie... i got ground loops at many locations easily, fader and knobs are by far the worst, preamps are the noiest (ok for rock, not ok for accustic or softvocal)
Brhringer.... slight sound blead thru .... at loud volume.... preamps are really quiet and DEAD... boring hard sounding...
Yamaha, the wierest and the most unflexable routin system...

are Soundcrafts/ A&H coloring mixers?
 
rynomig said:
Thanks for the advice, i've gotta start somewhere so i'm gonna take a chance and purchase the mackie SR24. Since i've got little experience, anything would be better than my current behr UB1204.

I have owned a mackie 24 channel for 10 years now... it still works flawlessly... and has seen many many gigs...

I think you will be happy with the mackie for live sound... I use it with an EV proline system and it sounds great... If i need to EQ something rather drastically I just insert a Rane graphic (ie kick drum etc).

The board is clean a rather durable(at least I've had really good luck)... would it be my first choice for recording? Nope... but it really isn't designed for that either...

good luck

Shred
 
i've got a mackie 24*4 and i use it for recording (and a couple gigs here and there in the past), and while it's not great, it does an acceptable job. the preamps are clean (just don't drive em too hard) and while they're not the epitome of depth and character, they're not without their merits (namely in that there's 24 of em :D). i got my 24*4 for $450US, so it was a no brainer at $18/pre.

of course, for recording purposes, i tap the channel inserts and use them as direct outs, bypassing the board's eq and summing bus op amps. this gets around most of the inherent "weaknesses" of the board.

for headphone sends, the routing afforded to the aux sends does quite nicely. i rarely record with effects, and since i'm already tapping the inserts, the auxes are free to be used for headphone mixes (which i can then run into an eq, reverb, etc., as needed).

usually, though, i go from tapped insert to a compressor (just b/c i tend to like the flavors of some of my comps even if i'm not actually compressing), and from there into my Delta 1010. when it comes to mixing, i mix in the box rather than sending it back out to the 24*4--i tried using the 24*4 for mixing right when i got it, but i don't know about y'all, but *i* can sure hear the sound of the summing busses and the brutalizing that it inflicts upon an otherwise good sounding mix. oy vey.

still, on those occasions when i record a band live, i tend to get a decent mix on the board going anyway, and dump it to tape or cdr (or sometimes a laptop), just as a "stereo backup" just in case.

i suppose for the most part, though, my use of the 24*4 is as a collection of preamps and system for headphone mixes and not much more. i don't even run my monitors from it......


cheers,
wade
 
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