M/powered Pro Tools

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Has anyone used this, any opinions?? I use pro tools at college and its lovely, so much better than any other software ive tried. Im thinking of going delta 66+ pro tools route.... After using cubase i really would not contemplate paying the amount of money they ask for it, however at about 200, pro tools seems reasonable.
 
Sounds like you're informed enough to make the decision on your own. I recently switched to PT-LE form Cubase VST5. I don't know how I lasted so long with Cubase! I should mention that I don't really do the MIDI, Soft Synth thing. That may be something that Cubase is better at, not sure. I think PT absolutely makes sense. It's easy to use, and on the audio features side, I don't think it can be beat. I think the new v7 has made PT even better in the MIDI/SoftSynth realm.

I say go for it!
 
Yeah man its awesome. Think i'll go for it!
 
One thing to remember is Pro tools M Powered only supports ONE Delta card per system, with everything else you can use up to FOUR. So if you skip past the Delta 66 and go straight for the Delta 1010 that's as far as you can expand. 8 channels of analog in and 8 channels back out.

It can be found in the very small print on the bottom of the Pro Tools M Powered compatability page :rolleyes:
 
That's pretty lame, I was somewhat thinking about getting this, but that will be a good reason to save my money.
 
LemonTree said:
One thing to remember is Pro tools M Powered only supports ONE Delta card per system, with everything else you can use up to FOUR. So if you skip past the Delta 66 and go straight for the Delta 1010 that's as far as you can expand. 8 channels of analog in and 8 channels back out.

It can be found in the very small print on the bottom of the Pro Tools M Powered compatability page :rolleyes:
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look at the Project Mix I/O.....18ins and about the same price as the two 1010s and more features
and compatible with M-Powered Pro Tools.
 
Looks like a marketing husstle of......Hey let's get all the M-Audio soundcard users hooked on Pro Tools, then when they want nore inputs & outputs they'll realise they have to dump their M-Audio interface and buy one of ours.

That's just shitty IMO :mad:
 
bennychico11 said:
look at the Project Mix I/O.....18ins and about the same price as the two 1010s and more features
and compatible with M-Powered Pro Tools.
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ok, so how do you use 18 inputs with only 8 pre's? and how do you pull back 14 outputs to 8 faders? :confused:

It's a hussle :D
 
Besides, it says pro tools M-Powered supports all these interfaces...

Audiophile 2496
Audiophile 192
Delta 44
Delta 66
Delta 1010LT
Delta 1010


NOW, if you're an M-Audio user and you're clued up..... You'd know that you can run 4 cards in one system, and because they run in everything from cool edit to Cubase to anything else you can think of you'd expect the same from Pro Tools M-Powerd.....fuck sake, it has M in the title suggesting its compatability. I just think it's a bum deal that the only mention is in very small print at the bottom of the Pro tools M-Powered compatability page
 
LemonTree said:
Looks like a marketing husstle of......Hey let's get all the M-Audio soundcard users hooked on Pro Tools, then when they want nore inputs & outputs they'll realise they have to dump their M-Audio interface and buy one of ours.

That's just shitty IMO :mad:
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Digidesign's LE interfaces don't have any more I/O options than some of M-Audio's. M-Audio has an interface or two that has just as many i/o's as a Digi-002/Rack.
 
LemonTree said:
ok, so how do you use 18 inputs with only 8 pre's?
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Outboard preamps. Just like any other interface that has 8 analog, 1 ADAT, and 1 S/PDIF.
and how do you pull back 14 outputs to 8 faders? :confused:
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Layers, Fader Banks. It's no different than any other control surface or digital console that has more inputs than faders.
It's a hussle :D
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Not really, at least not in my book.
 
ok, my hands are up. That was from an analog board guys point of view. M-Powered isn't geared towards that from the M-Audio interface side
 
what?? i'm so conufsed as to what we're complaining about anymore.

you're saying 18 inputs isn't enough? what size of a drumset do you record at home? 20+ mics on it? :confused:

or do you use 18 mics on your guitar?
 
I never mentioned 18 inputs not being enough. I have nothing against protools or digidesign. I just think the whole M Powered thing being geard towards M-Audio interface users is a bit cloak and dagger.

OK, take this scenario. I'm a newbie.... been into recording for a short time. I have an M-Audio Delta 1010. I'm using adobe audition. I've already seen on my soundcard box that I can put 4 of these cards in my computer. I feel like taking the step up to PT. So I buy M Powered without going over there website with a microscope. Later on down the line I wanna add another Delta 1010......

see where I'm coming from? I Think since M-Audio make such a big deal about running 4 cards in one system digidesign could atleast point out you can't with M-Powered without hiding it 3 pages deep from the page it tells you it's compatable with all the delta cards

Tha's all
 
Im sure they'll eventually add support for more than one card, its fairly early days yet...
 
No, they won't add any more I/O to Pro Tools M powered, just like they won't release a Digidesign interface that will give you more than the Digi 002's. The reason behind that is Pro Tools HD and Accell. Thats why LE has limited track counts, limited I/O etc... They want LE to be just that .....LE

Pro Tools is a solid program whether it be LE or HD. With HD you actually get a well integrated extremely powerful system. With LE, you lose the better hardware, the hardware options, and all TDM style processing. If they started allowing more hardware compatibility to LE, it could actually have an effect on their HD sales. If they allowed TDM and true 0 latency stuff in LE, probably noone would ever buy an HD rig. Digidesign understands the importance of keeping some differences between the two applications. If they allow the 2 programs to get to close in capability and features (both hardware and software wise) there will be a lot of really pissed off HD owners who have spent upwards (in many cases WELL upwards) of $10k on their HD and Accell rigs. Pro Tools is still the studio standard, but not for the same reasons any more. Once upon a time it was because Digidesign stood alone as the only real powerful and truly integrated hardware/software combination. Now, there are several other worthy options. It has become pretty comon now to see Nuendo rigs sitting right alongside Pro Tools rigs in a lot of the major studios. The days as Pro Tools as the only standard are slowly coming to an end. Digidesign no longer has the only technologically sound setup, and the gap is quickly narrowing. LE was a smart move in that Digidesign created a whole new set of users by offering something affordable. It will however stay limited as Digidesigns real goal is to expand their HD userbase (cha ching $ ).
 
Well, if they wanna do that they should stop charging ridiculas prices when it probably doesn't cost them any more to manufacture HD than LE. Hey heres an idea, why not just do away with LE and sell HD at a reasonable price...
 
chamelious said:
Well, if they wanna do that they should stop charging ridiculas prices when it probably doesn't cost them any more to manufacture HD than LE.
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I hope you are talking about the software costing the same, if not, you're way off base. HD hardware costs a lot more because there is a lot more to it. There is a lot of DSP on each of the HD systems cards, that is what makes it cost more.
 
Raw-Tracks said:
I hope you are talking about the software costing the same, if not, you're way off base. HD hardware costs a lot more because there is a lot more to it. There is a lot of DSP on each of the HD systems cards, that is what makes it cost more.
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exactly...in fact the interfaces don't cost that much more than the top end LE interfaces. They're only about $2000-4000. It's the core and accel cards that cost a lot.

Plus, i'm glad they are more expensive units. It separates the professionals from the wannabe Dr. Dre's doing it out of their house.
 
I meant the software obviously better hardware costs more. But stuff like not letting you use more than one card in LE when they could just as easily (pr easy probably) let you. Some other features i can understand cutting out and making you pay more for, but this just seems like an unnesscary inconvenience. Surely the user with less money is going to want to do things like buy one card (a 66 or example) now, and one later to add more (like a 1010 when you have more cash). Personnally i dont think someone in this situation is going to think *oh, i cant do that, best buy HD and all that shit instead*.
 
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