nave
Cave Relic
WES is RIGHT, melody lines always draw people in way before lyrics, when you first by an album it takes you several listens before you start picking up on the lyrics, but the songs that you go back to on the album are the songs that have music you like...Learning the lyrics is the after effect of liking the music....(except maybe in bob dylans and yes also some folk and country where musically content is subjugated to lyrical content)...
The perfect example of melody being more important than lyric is in the explosion of nirvana onto the "pop" scene.......When "Smells like Teen Spirit" first came out there was not a damn person in the world that knew even so much as a single word Kurt Cobain was singing except kurt himself. Nevertheless, the song sat at the top of the charts for an eternity despite his mumbling of words that know one could understand...Why, because of the MELODY........And then maybe after you hear it a thousand times you start to get the lyrics....LIke i said the lyrics are the after effect of drawing in listeners with melody...............
originally posted by fkeefe.....
"Hey Nave, There are people who have been inspired by God and written some great songs but I agree it isnt exclusive. I dont quite understand what you mean when you criticise writers who want success are you saying you write songs for YOUR pleasure only? Im not knocking you if thats how you feel but dont knock other writers who have gained recognition for their obvious talents."
For the most part fkeefe, I do write songs primarily for myself and I have been for as long as I can remember.......And I'm sorry if I'm coming off as abrasive, It's just that I can't understand some folks.....Sometimes I too feel like a song just flows out of me as if it was divinely inspired...So, I do understand were you all are coming from........But couldn't you just say that god blessed you for your song writing abilities rather than giving god the credit for writing your songs.....Ya know geeze, if your so talented take some damn credit for yourself already.....Songs that flow out of you come from your subconscious mind not a higher power.......Being inspired by god is one thing, thinking that god and demons write "hooks" is absurdity. We don't live in the dark ages anymore and last time I checked the Earth is not the center of the universe.....And as far as my comments on the nashville scene, I think that alot of the people who I have met on the internet who are from or who planned on going to nashville are so concerned about writing songs that will make them famous that in the end they miss the whole point about songwriting.....which is .........that everyone is doing it for themselves first and foremost, not for fame, not for god or demons or any other reason...The reason you all write songs is for you......And if that ain't the reason than I assure you that you would not be doing it! The purpose of art is to serve the artist first........All other purposes are secondary...and if art doesn't serve the artist first I assure you that it will not serve anyone anyway.......People in nashville always seem to bring up the God factor but at the same time it's as if they would sell there souls for a recording contract....Change their clothes, their hair, their sound.....whatever.......It's all superficial nonsense which is quite to the contrary of the ideaology of the routes that nashville was founded on.........That is the sad truth.....The place has turned into a joke and a laughing stock of the American music scene as far as I'm concerned......Now I know I'm going to piss people off by saying that but too bad....... it's the truth and If you can't see that than I can't help you....
-nave
The perfect example of melody being more important than lyric is in the explosion of nirvana onto the "pop" scene.......When "Smells like Teen Spirit" first came out there was not a damn person in the world that knew even so much as a single word Kurt Cobain was singing except kurt himself. Nevertheless, the song sat at the top of the charts for an eternity despite his mumbling of words that know one could understand...Why, because of the MELODY........And then maybe after you hear it a thousand times you start to get the lyrics....LIke i said the lyrics are the after effect of drawing in listeners with melody...............
originally posted by fkeefe.....
"Hey Nave, There are people who have been inspired by God and written some great songs but I agree it isnt exclusive. I dont quite understand what you mean when you criticise writers who want success are you saying you write songs for YOUR pleasure only? Im not knocking you if thats how you feel but dont knock other writers who have gained recognition for their obvious talents."
For the most part fkeefe, I do write songs primarily for myself and I have been for as long as I can remember.......And I'm sorry if I'm coming off as abrasive, It's just that I can't understand some folks.....Sometimes I too feel like a song just flows out of me as if it was divinely inspired...So, I do understand were you all are coming from........But couldn't you just say that god blessed you for your song writing abilities rather than giving god the credit for writing your songs.....Ya know geeze, if your so talented take some damn credit for yourself already.....Songs that flow out of you come from your subconscious mind not a higher power.......Being inspired by god is one thing, thinking that god and demons write "hooks" is absurdity. We don't live in the dark ages anymore and last time I checked the Earth is not the center of the universe.....And as far as my comments on the nashville scene, I think that alot of the people who I have met on the internet who are from or who planned on going to nashville are so concerned about writing songs that will make them famous that in the end they miss the whole point about songwriting.....which is .........that everyone is doing it for themselves first and foremost, not for fame, not for god or demons or any other reason...The reason you all write songs is for you......And if that ain't the reason than I assure you that you would not be doing it! The purpose of art is to serve the artist first........All other purposes are secondary...and if art doesn't serve the artist first I assure you that it will not serve anyone anyway.......People in nashville always seem to bring up the God factor but at the same time it's as if they would sell there souls for a recording contract....Change their clothes, their hair, their sound.....whatever.......It's all superficial nonsense which is quite to the contrary of the ideaology of the routes that nashville was founded on.........That is the sad truth.....The place has turned into a joke and a laughing stock of the American music scene as far as I'm concerned......Now I know I'm going to piss people off by saying that but too bad....... it's the truth and If you can't see that than I can't help you....
-nave
