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Wow! From a playing and composition point of view the song is fantastic. It reminds me a bit of collective soul. I am inspired to record some flute now. Lucky for me my wife plays the flute. I am curious to know your signal path on that if you don't mind sharing.

Regarding the mix, to my ears it sounds as if many of the parts don't exist on the same soundstage. Guitars are nice and right in you face, very intimate, but the drums for example sound like they are in a large room or hall, very distant. Just my humble opinion. I really love the song otherwise.
 
I agree with Aramdillo. The virtual soundstage is huge. It's mainly just with the drums. They're way back there. Everything else is right up front. Nice use of a flute though. :D
 
ObeseArmadillo said:
Wow! From a playing and composition point of view the song is fantastic. It reminds me a bit of collective soul. I am inspired to record some flute now. Lucky for me my wife plays the flute. I am curious to know your signal path on that if you don't mind sharing.

Regarding the mix, to my ears it sounds as if many of the parts don't exist on the same soundstage. Guitars are nice and right in you face, very intimate, but the drums for example sound like they are in a large room or hall, very distant. Just my humble opinion. I really love the song otherwise.
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Glad you like the tune.

The path for the flute is usually just two condenser mics into a Presonus Firebox interface and direct into Sonar 6 PE. I color it a bit with some Sonitus reverb "short and sweet" usually, but sometimes "the venue." For the input parameter in Sonar I choose Firebox mic in stereo. I get a double waveform in the track. Then I sometimes throw it into Wavelab to widen the stereo field, but I have no control over the separation in the track itself. HTH

Regarding the mix - Yeah, I struggle with drums all the time. I don't own a decent drum machine and Session Drummer 2 is lacking IMO. I'll see if I can't mess with the compression to bring them back into the same room.

Mainly I was just beating the riff to death with the classical git and tried to get really meaty with the bass. Wish I had a guy like RAMI to do the drums. ;)
 
Its a good tune. Its also a simple fix, just turn the drums up and add a bit of reverb or eq to the snare. Nice to hear something a bit different.:cool:
 
Xeries said:
Glad you like the tune.

The path for the flute is usually just two condenser mics into a Presonus Firebox interface and direct into Sonar 6 PE. I color it a bit with some Sonitus reverb "short and sweet" usually, but sometimes "the venue." For the input parameter in Sonar I choose Firebox mic in stereo. I get a double waveform in the track. Then I sometimes throw it into Wavelab to widen the stereo field, but I have no control over the separation in the track itself. HTH

Regarding the mix - Yeah, I struggle with drums all the time. I don't own a decent drum machine and Session Drummer 2 is lacking IMO. I'll see if I can't mess with the compression to bring them back into the same room.

Mainly I was just beating the riff to death with the classical git and tried to get really meaty with the bass. Wish I had a guy like RAMI to do the drums. ;)
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Thanks for the info on the path. I just had my wife play a few bars on a tune I am working on. I wasn't sure where to best place the mics, so I basically guessed. I had 57 handy, which I placed in front of the flute and angled in towards the end, and I threw another mic (MXL V63M) Directly in front of the mouth piece. Very different tones from both spots. Not sure either is optimal. Where do you usually place the mics?
 
cool stuff, love the flute...agree with previous post about the drums..get em' up there :)!
 
ObeseArmadillo said:
Thanks for the info on the path. I just had my wife play a few bars on a tune I am working on. I wasn't sure where to best place the mics, so I basically guessed. I had 57 handy, which I placed in front of the flute and angled in towards the end, and I threw another mic (MXL V63M) Directly in front of the mouth piece. Very different tones from both spots. Not sure either is optimal. Where do you usually place the mics?
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That's a really good question, OA. Here's what I concentrate on: The mics are condenser, so you can get plosions really easy and clip because the flute causes wind hitting the ribbons. I wrap the mics with that 1/2 inch, soft foam stuff that you get in the mail, like with fruit and stuff. I use two cable ties to keep the wrap against the mics. Then I place them usually a little below the mouthpiece and a little above.

One thing I'd like to try is to separate the two mics into two tracks instead of just one and see if anything works better. So far I've been okay with what I'm getting with the one stereo track.

Since the two mics are different, one Apex 435, and one AT 2020, (both cheapos) they produce different sounds. I'd like to identify the best sounding one and center it and then color the other one and pan slightly.
 

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Xeries,

Thanks for the explanation. The picture is really worth a thousand words. I appreciate it.
 
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