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www.mp3.com/erich

i recorded an album over a period of about two years called "much - by erich arndt". i did all the instruments (if you consider a drum machine to be an instrument) and vocals (except one song, for which i brought in another vocalist) and i wrote almost every note, every word, and every beat myself, with a few minor exceptions here and there.

much of the album was recorded when i knew almost nothing about what i was doing, and i was much more shy as a vocalist than i am now, so now i am planning on starting over from scratch with a brand new area set up for recording and with three years more of knowledge and re-recording everything, plus five or six more songs that i've written since then and five or six more that were already written but never got recorded and added to the first disc.

the above web-address is where several of these "first-attempt" versions of the songs can be found and i was hoping to get some people to give me some reviews on the production and maybe a few tips on things i could do to improve upon the songs as far as production and performance go.

in another area of the forum it had been suggested that i have the songs mastered and that would solve the majority of my problems, but i don't have the money to have it done professionally so, like everything else, i will be doing this myself and i could use some advice on that also.

i do all my recording straight to my PC and i work with cool edit pro with numerous plugins including waves native power pack 1 and 2, waves gold bundle, waves masters bundle, drumagog, and antares auto-tune... i also have access to wavelab, soundforge, acid, fruity loops.. and really as far as software goes... anything i could possibly need.

as much input as possible would be appreciated (positive and negative are both welcome)

tell me what you think, and what i need to do to make it better.
i'm positive that the material that i have deserves the best.
 
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i think i can..

man the intro screamed "david lee roth EAT EM AND SMILE"...lol...maybe im old...
very cool song i must say...the whole mix has that "no mids" "big bass" sound to eat...in the chorus the vox are drowned out quite a bit.....weird change to that heavy guitar part after the chorus..well not weird i guess just taste.really this i as a very cool song..catchy.

ok second listen:
the rythym guitar panned deal in the first verse is very cool...yeah in the pre-chorus it drops out DRAMATICALLY..?...is it just the stream??.."and im thinkin....that part!!...falls out completly???

help me out here....is it me???...



jamal
 
well, that was the second or third song i recorded... and i had just discovered the magic of "volume maximizing" but unfortunately i overdid it quite a lot... totally levelling out everything.. bringing the quiet parts to the same volume as the loud parts... which gave the impression that the loud parts were very weak compared to the quiet parts... and as far as the vocals.. i was, and still am, very underconfident about my singing in a recording environment... i'm better about that now.. but back then i had this habit of mixing my voice as low as possible... trying to hide behind the instruments... when i re-record everything, this is one thing i plan on changing... the vocal part of the music will be a much larger presence in the overall mix.

i appreciate your positive remarks a lot... that was always one of my favorites. thank you
 

i appreciate your positive remarks a lot... that was always one of my favorites. thank you [/B]


exactly!......yeah i thought the song in content was great !!..just have the same issues i suffer from...but i have been on this board since june..and in that time my abilities have improved immensely.

guys here are MORE than happy to help us new guys out ESPECIALLY if you can see that the song is a good one...this one is...stick around...it seems like alot of "mp3" guys stop by to get a review and then split...its all about the reciprocation....i usually just give comments based on the song as a whole ..i cant hear songs the way some of these freaks do..lol.."the 4.2 k frequency needs to come down .25 decibels.."...WHAT?!?!?....

anyway welcome aboard ..check it out itll be good for ya.


jamal
 
i do plan on sticking around... i'm setting up a page with nowhereradio.com right now, actually... i've already got a couple new tracks nearing completion and i'm hoping to get help with stuff as i produce it... the URL will be www.nowhereradio.com/SOP
as soon as i get the stuff on there... should be something there to listen to within a half-hour or so...

i'm changing the title of the project too... from just my name "Erich Arndt" to "Shoes On Powerlines"
by the time i've got everything recorded, it'll be about 25 songs altogether... plus i'm thinking of recording some covers on the side just for fun... i'm thinking about making it two CD's with about 12 or 13 songs on each of them..
 
Erich Arndt said:
i do plan on sticking around... i'm setting up a page with nowhereradio.com right now, actually... i've already got a couple new tracks nearing completion and i'm hoping to get help with stuff as i produce it... the URL will be www.nowhereradio.com/SOP
as soon as i get the stuff on there... should be something there to listen to within a half-hour or so...

i'm changing the title of the project too... from just my name "Erich Arndt" to "Shoes On Powerlines"
by the time i've got everything recorded, it'll be about 25 songs altogether... plus i'm thinking of recording some covers on the side just for fun... i'm thinking about making it two CD's with about 12 or 13 songs on each of them..

The correct url is : http://www.nowhereradio.com/sop

Didnt work with the capital letters.
 
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Erich Arndt said:
www.mp3.com/erichi do all my recording straight to my PC and i work with cool edit pro with numerous plugins including waves native power pack 1 and 2, waves gold bundle, waves masters bundle, drumagog, and antares auto-tune... i also have access to wavelab, soundforge, acid, fruity loops.. and really as far as software goes... anything i could possibly need.
hehehhe..Okay, quick tip. Do NOT publicly admit to pirating software, unless you're under subpoena. ;) It bugs some people, although I have to admit, I'm not one of them. Hehehe...you just listed about $3,500 worth of software...LOL...but it was the "AND ANYTHING I COULD POSSIBLY NEED" part that's the dead giveaway. (again, don't take me too seriously).

Allrighty. I listened to "I Think I Can," b/c JB said it was cool. He didn't lie. Very nice ideas. You're right though...it sounds like the whole recording is just freakin' MAXED out at about +3db. I don't think Mastering would help as much as re-tracking...I'm sure you've learned a ton in the interim; it's cheaper than mastering, it'll end up being better, and the tune's worth it.

Do me a favor...b/f I offer anymore lame advice, tell me which tunes are more recent...i.e., reflective of your current recording prowess. No sense spouting out shit that you already know... (like cut the lows in the gits so the low end has more definition and your vocal can come through :D).

I'll be waiting. Nice freaking song, btw.
 
I especially liked the gtr sound, and thought the vocals were pretty good too. The drums were kinda low in volume, and the HH off to the left was a bit extreme...maybe. Mix volumes between different instruments might be a tad better, but this is a good performance song. Nice melodic leads too...not overdone.
On the quieter sections, it seems a little hissy too.. probably from your "mix tweaking" after the effect...
 
as far as newest recordings... the very newest stuff is at the http://www.nowhereradio.com/sop site... but of the old stuff the newest one is "touch (featuring jayme evans)" and honestly, that one might be what i consider to be one of my best.. as far as writing and production... i think it could still use a lot of improvement, but that one is definitely the one you wanna check out if you're looking for "where i'm at now" in production

note: i do recognize the fact that the chorus to the song closely resembles the chorus of "volcano girls" by veruca salt... i did not do this intentionally, and i didn't recognize it myself until after it was written... and i felt that the similarities are small enough that i could overlook them.

"down on the upside" is also one of the newer tracks... but this is one my worst tracks, in my opinion, as far as arrangement and production goes... i plan on re-recording it.. but i'm going to add a lot more to it, because there is just way to much repetition without anything on top of it to justify it...
 
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chrisharris said:
hehehhe..Okay, quick tip. Do NOT publicly admit to pirating software, unless you're under subpoena. ;) It bugs some people, although I have to admit, I'm not one of them. Hehehe...you just listed about $3,500 worth of software...LOL...but it was the "AND ANYTHING I COULD POSSIBLY NEED" part that's the dead giveaway.

I was thinking the same thing. Waiting for a new asshole to be torn.

Hey Erich. Welcome to the board. I gave a listen to Listen to If I Should Fall at Nowhereradio and the first one over at mp3.com. You're sure getting better!;)

the only thing I'm hearing on if I should fall was the chorus harmony vox sounded a little cheesy. Seriously, even though he's not doing your kind of music, I would check out ChrisHarris' last mp3 clinic thread where he explains how he mixed the harmony vox. His sound pretty damn pro to my ears.

And don't get another singer. First off, he'll never get it right and second, it won't have the passion of the songwriter.

2cents.

Miles
 
thanks a lot, guys... for the welcome and the advice so far... this is EXACTLY what i had hoped to find here. in "if i should fall" i really felt that my vocals were weak, but admittadly, no one that i've played it for agreed with me... but i have to wonder about biased opinions when it's people i'm close to giving me the reviews.

what about general dynamics... highs and lows... thumpy bass drums, rumbly bass guitars... i do a lot of panning with instruments to get a bigger sound... but when i compare to other bands, my stuff ends up sounding somehow.. "empty in the middle".. it's hard to explain.. my main goal is to try to find this "standard" that everyone out there seems to follow... it almost seems like there must be a book out there that every musician in a studio is forced by law to read... and it tells you things like... "your bass drums must thump somewhere between THIS hard and THAT hard.. and your guitars must be somewhere in THIS general volume area in comparison to the bass guitar and drums... that kind of stuff...

all the musicians in the world seem to be on exactly the same page about stuff like that, but i just can't seem to find it.
 
Erich Arndt said:
but of the old stuff the newest one is "touch (featuring jayme evans)" and honestly, that one might be what i consider to be one of my best.. as far as writing and production...
"TOUCH" - Another very cool song. Your strength right now is in your writing; so don't take the following too seriously.

I clicked on a few of the mixes, and you seem to have gotten better about not squishing the living shit out of the mixes as time has gone on, but they all seem kinda' "blurry," and I think a lot of it is EQ that you're either doing or not doing on the final mixes. Like "touch," to me, sounds like it has a ton of lows and highs, and no real mids to speak of...even in the vocal. Probably sounds freakin' GREAT on headphones, but you're losing seperation in the instruments...they sound better when there's only one or 2 instruments in play, but when they're going full throttle, it's getting mashed together in a kind of mix mush. Quick question. Are you rolling off the lows on the guitars at any point before you mixdown? Also, are you doing any EQ'ing on the final mixes (and this includes something like a "sonic maximizer" plugin...that I'm sure you paid for :D).

Touch is a cool tune.
 
well, i really don't do much to the track after it's mixed down... which i've been thinking lately might be a big part of my problem... my typical ritual for a fresh mix-down is: cut the ends off... so there's no empty space before and after the track... and then i run either waves ultramaximizer, steinberg's peak master, or cool edit's hard limiter (my favorite one because it's default setting usually brings it to a pretty standard level and i don't have as much of a chance to over-do it)

i try to EQ the individual tracks as much as possible to avoid having to do much to the final mix.. this way if i have to mix it down again for whatever reason, i'm already almost there... not so many other steps to take... but i guess if i wanna do it right, i'll have to buckle down and take every step possible...
 
Erich Arndt said:

i try to EQ the individual tracks as much as possible to avoid having to do much to the final mix.. this way if i have to mix it down again for whatever reason, i'm already almost there... not so many other steps to take... but i guess if i wanna do it right, i'll have to buckle down and take every step possible...
No...actually...I think your approach is dead on. My best mixes have required almost no EQ on the final mix...but it's usually more of an accident with me than any grand plan. I use the hard limiting feature in CEP too, and it rules, b/c it doesn't seem to create any of the compression artifacts that can make a mix sound squished.

Man, as far as all musicians being on the same page...LOL...I know what you mean, but there are as many different opinions on how to go about it as there are people trying to do it. I haven't found a book yet that has helped as much as this freakin' BBS. But anyway, I didn't catch whether you were rolling off the lows on your guitar tracks and/or your vocal tracks...like the REAL low lows...below 70 Hz, maybe. It's not a cure-all, and you obviously don't do it all the time...but I'm thinking it would help your bass stand out a lot more...on the mixes I've heard, it sounds like you're getting 90% of your low end from the guitars...
 
oh.. i think i mustve forgotten to answer that part of the question... as far as "rolling off the lows" does that mean just generally EQ'ing them down? so that the guitars have a low end, just not the SAME low end as the bass? that's not something i really made a habit of doing, BUT i can't say that i did not do it... it's been so long since many of those songs were recorded that i can't really say what i did or did not do... but really for the most part... it was different for everything... i would play around with each track until it sounded the way i wanted it to... or as close to the way i wanted as i could get... there wasn't any one particular rule i applied to any particular instrument from one song to the next... just kind of play it by ear... but then the recording situation was also different for each song too... the original raw guitar tracks were worlds apart from each other from song to song, so it wouldn't been hard to have a standard EQ setting that i would run over everything... this time around though, i will be standardizing things as much as i can... so the raw tracks ARE the same thing from the beginning... not so many variables, so that the processing required will be closer to the same for each song..

by the way, chris... i checked out yuor track "it's not easy being me".... very very nice... not exactly my kind of music, but it still made me feel like an amateur... lol... good work
 
Erich Arndt said:


by the way, chris... i checked out yuor track "it's not easy being me".... very very nice... not exactly my kind of music, but it still made me feel like an amateur... lol... good work
LOL ... man, it shouldn't take you long to figure out that I'm a total amateur hack. Do me a favor... Listen to "AWAY" and tell me if you like any of the sounds. This isn't a vanity post...it would just help to know kinda' what you're shooting for in terms of sound. It's probably the opposite of what I did on that tune, LOL...which is helpful to know. :D just send me a PM by clicking the little "PM" button below this post, if you have time or care.

I'll quit raping this thread now...
Chris
 
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