Looking for info for old Gibson Falcon amp

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I bought this amp a LONG time ago.I guess I've had it about 17yrs.It buzzes like a chainsaw after it warms up a while but it still sounds real good underneath the buzzing.Does anyone know of a site that could guide me through rebuilding or maybe just retubing this dinosaur.
I think it is a 1958 model.Not sure.
Thanks,Ginzoo
p.s.I live in a fairly remote area so there arent ANY amp repair shops around that I know of.
 
I have a 58 Gibson GA6

Time to replace all the old filter caps and check the joint between the ceramic tube sockets and the metal frame.Your old fabric-wrapped wiring could be picking up all kinds of stray RF as well
regards
Tom
 
Changing the filter caps is a MUST on these old amps. Check the tubes sockets as T. Hicks said. How old are the tubes? It may be time to replace the power tubes. The preamp tubes maybe,they most likely OK, and the rectifier tube should still be working OK. The buzzing may also be coming from a 1/4" jack that has a partial ground. Check out the following web site and scroll to the bootom of the page and click Free Schematics. http://www.guitar-parts.com Look on the chasis of your amp. there should be a Gibson model number. GA-?? I'm thinking GA-30 or GA-25 for the Falcon.
 
Thanks guys,I checked out the guitarparts site,I just have to wait for them to post the schematics for my model-GA19rvt.How old are the tubes?Ha ha, I can ALMOST guarantee that they are the originals.
Would it be wise to replace everything or just certain tubes?
OR am I just pissing in the wind by trying to get that old thing working right?Would it cost too much to do this?
 
I have the schematic for the falcon amp in my jack darr
guitar amplifier repair book. Can I be of any assistance?
Actually it is the falcon F-3 schematic, its probalby not the same amp, it shows it as being all transistors. There are lots of gibson schematics, is there a model number
that goes with the name? The schematic for the GA-17rvt is
there and it shows 6 tubes 3/6ev7 preamps and 2/6aq5 in push pull output stage and 1/6ca4 rectifier. I also have an
old sylvania tube manual that will have all the specs for these tubes if you need any of those.

[Edited by dragonworks on 10-27-2000 at 22:21]
 
"blackout tubes"

For almost 20 years after World War II,Gibson used blackout tubes on their production amps.The idea was that the glow could be seen so the tubes were painted black so the Japs couldn't bomb your gig.No shit!My tech educated me when he rebuilt mine.Original Gibson tubes of the period were Silvania 6V6 (NOT 6L6)about half the voltage of later years.My GA6 was rated originally at 18 watts (2 6V6 @ 9 watts).The blue Jensons break up in a creamy way that green-back celections only dream of emulating.Still available under $500,these Deluxe type amps are the key to authentic tone.
regards
Tom
 
YES IT"S WORTH IT !!!

Go ahead and spend the bucks to get this little guy working right agian. Three reasons: IT's VINTAGE, IT'S TUBE, and IT'S FUN.
 
The tubes in mine are-5y3 gt,6v6 gta-2 of them,6eu7,6c4.Also has two that are encased in spring loaded covers.Cant tell what they are.They wouldnt come out as easily as the others.Does that help.
Tom Hicks,that is very interesting about the blackouts.Its amazing the things they adapted in times of war.
Daddy-o,I think I'll do it !
Ginzoo
 
It sounds like the buzzing may be coming from your filter caps in the power supply. An easy way to check this is to get some electrolytic caps that have the same rating or better and bridge the caps in the power supply, if the buzzing goes away you know thats where your problem is. If
you do this be careful, match the caps correctly, electrolytic caps have a positive and a neg and that has to
go correctly also.
 
HIGH VOLTAGE!!!!!!

I'm sure you know to be carefull when working inside your tube amp. The power transformer can sometimes have an output of over 500 volts AC. I'm not sure what the output voltage is on the Falcon, but it's enough to kill you. Also capacitors (filtercaps) can still have voltage in then after the amp has been powered down. Allow time for them to discharge. Dragon made a very important comment, do not reverse the polarity of the caps you bridge in. Thhe current can only flow thru caps on dirrection and the flow is indicated by a "+" , a stripe or arrows on one end of the cap. Sometimes filter caps are not soldered piont to piont, but combined inside an aluminum casing the is mounted on the amp chasis and can resemble a tube with the cover on. If this is the case, the rating will be on the casing and measured in microferreds(mf) and you may have to buy them seperatly and solder them in piont to piont.
 
YIKES !!

Maybe I'll let someone with a little knowledge of amplification/electronics deal with it.This is the reason I have left it alone for so long.
When I first got it,I thought it was funny when I told my bandmates to push"that button"{an exposed fuse-end}.They always got a little JOLT !!!I now realize how dangerous this amp can be.
Thinking back it is still funny watching them jerk around for a moment after "pushing the button".
 
Yeah I've been popped by a few tube amps. The best jolt is when the ground switch on your amp is out of phase with the building wiring and you touch your lips to a big 'ol SM 59 "Elvis" mic while touching the guitar strings. Any musical repair shop should be able to fix you up for around $35-$50 an hour plus parts. I would estimate 2 hours bench time and $100-$150 for parts. I recomend Ruby brand replacement tubes. Some tech like to sell Groove Tubes, but they seem to be a little to hot for these little amps and may cause the amp to distort to quikly. Ruby Tubes are good qulity tube at reasonable prices. A company called MOJO TONE also sells replacement tube of their own brand and most others. Have fun and enjoy that amp....
 
respectful disagreement

Please avoid Ruby tubes as well as all brands of tubes from China.These are easily noted by the bulge in the glass tube.Avoid them because Chinese methods use "pot" metal for the glowing bits inside.This an impure amalgom of whatever they throw in the vat and are electrically and sonically inferior.Groove Tubes are the best high dollar matched-output pairs but Sovtek puts out a mil-spec product at an affordable price.
Tom
 
Tom,what type of bulge in the glass do I need to look for? Are they labled as "made in china"?How does Sovtek compare in sound to the Groove Tubes?
Daddy-o,would the Groove tubes really be too hot for this amp?Would the distortion be bad or would it becontrolable?Should I look into the Sovteks?
 
In my opinion, Groove Tubes are hotter than other brands and yes Tom Hicks is right in saying that they are of higher quality,but that does not always mean better. It all depends on apllication. Here's why: Tubes are graded/rated by the ratio of input voltage to output voltage and the plate current rating or in other words, thier effencincy. Groove tube as compared to say Ruby Tubes have a higher plate rating and higher output. This higher output translated into usable terms for guitar players equals gain or early distortion. Lower output equals late distortion. Yes higher gain is a good thing if you play through a Marshal or Boogie. Groove tubes are highly recomended for these type amps. Other tube have a lower plate current rating but that does not mean that these tubes are inferior. Tubes with a lower rating are better for smaller amps such as your Falcon and smaller Fenders. At least for what I think these smaller amps should sound like. The lower rated tubes will not have as much gain as Groove Tubes and will provide a more traditional tube amp sound. The amp should start at a nice warm clean tone at low volume to a mild dirty sound to a distortion sound caused by tube saturation with plenty of variety in between. Think of it as driving a '53 Cadillac. It feels good from slow to cruisin' speed and way cool. Groove Tubes would be like driving a Vette. Turn the volume knob to "3" and you've gone from 0 to 60 in 5.3. There is nothing wrong with either approach it all in personal prefference and taste. Groove Tubes are good, but don't think of all other brands as cheap. I have a Gibson GA-40 Les Paul amp from 195? and spent lots of money to have it serviced and re-tubed with groove Tubes. The amp was way too hot and as I said ealier, it was at full overdriven distortion around 3-4 on the volume knob. I took all of the Groove Tubes out and installed Ruby Tubes like I have always used in my Fenders. Tom Hicks also made another great piont, always buy tubes in a matched set. And also have the amped biased when replacing power tubes. I highly recomend this site for lots of info on tubes. It contians info on pricing, history, basic concepts, bias, maching, and manufacturers http://www.thetubestore.com

P.S. ( Groove Tubes IS NOT a tube manufacturer. Ruby Tube IS NOT a manufacturer. They are both distributors who buy tubes from companies like Sovtek and Tesla and relabel the tubes with their own trade marks. Groove Tubes generaly purchases tubes with a higher plate current rating and market them as high gain tubes and charge a premium price-and sometimes they come from China as well.)

[Edited by Daddy-O on 10-31-2000 at 21:04]
 
Hey Ginzoo, I noticed in your profile that you're from the Old North State. What part? I'm from Charlotte. You wouldn't happen to be a corp. chef for Bank of America would you? I used to be a part of thier networking and information and electronic security team.
 
Hey Daddy-o,I live in Asheville,up in the mountains.Not Bank of America but a private school with about 350 full time residents.Rich kids=nice yearly budget!!!
By the way thanks for the great info in this thread.I've learned a lot.
 
Glad to help. I love the N.C. mountians. My best friend and his wife moved to the Boone/ Todd area about five years ago. I think I may join them soon. It's time to evacuate from Charlotte. Either there are too many people now or the roads and stores are getting smaler. LOL
 
Come on up the mountain.I've got lots of work to do on my project studio...electrical/drywall/painting...that is if you're not doing anything this weekend...hahaha.
 
recognising chinese tubes

All other tubes are a straight cylinder of glass.The chinese tubes have a prominant bulge in the middle like a pot belly.
Small point- mil spec vs commercial spec.Commercial stuff is rated to specified performance levels plus or minus 7%.Mil spec is plus or minus 1%.When replacing electronics,the sonic payoff is tremendous if you spend an extra buck or two on primo parts.
Tom
 
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