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this tune is no way near complete----- looking for some imput----

vocs are dry as hell and flat-----

the lyrics are posted also-----

it is at my site "second cumming"
 
Stylistically it's not my taste so I can't comment on the song itself... in terms of the recording however, I can offer some input.....

I like the vocal effect - it's cool-sounding and seems appropriate to the song.

I hated the drum sound - they lack any sense of dynamics and punch. They actually sound very canned...

I also didn't care for the guitar tone -- you can get that heavy crunch without the excessive buzziness... when it comes to guitar tone: metal crunch - GOOD.... angry swarm of bees - BAD...

Was there a bass in the cut? If so it was completely lost and the song needs some low-end definition....

Good effort - the song itself did make my foot move.... ya just gotta help the audio side of things a bit and it'll work out!
 
thank Blue,

I am suprised you like the voc---- that is the one part that I dont like yet----lol

We are just in the baby stages with this one so I will be taking the imput and trying to use it. And yet still keep it to our vision.

the bass ---- Was a machine this time and not me so I really dont like the sound of it anyways---;)it is mechanical sounding---

I will be relaying any imput and advise to Matt, even know he never comes on here, he is thankful for everyones help.

Thanks much!!!!
 
Ok Blue--- MAtts working on it rite now. HE is sad about the guitar because he used no effects on it--- He loved the way it buzzed on its own with no added 788 effects---- He said ---- even know the song sounds better with a guitar tweak-- HE misses it....


Thanks for your imput
 
Ok --- both of them are up and runnin now----- thanks guys for takin the time with us. I am trying to do the same
 
The song borderlines on being mono. ...very narrow stereo field.
I agree about the 'bees in a paper bag' kind of sound on the gtrs. More fuzz than power. Although the vocal effect is ok being all distorted and midrangy-peaky sounding, it doesn't come off as well, because of the rest of the recording quality. Some may actually think you meant to get a "clearer" sound for the vocals, but comparing it to the rest of the mix, may figure the preamp was just accidentally overloaded ...and not on purpose... is wasn't...was it?


As a guess, if you were to look at a frequency spectrum of the mix, I think you would find there to be strong areas where certain frequencies really dominate things (like the area of the fuzz guitars), and sonically, there are "holes" in the rest of the mix. This might be analogous to the big "smiley curve" sound on a 31 band EQ, where it is overloaded with bass mush and treble fizzyness. I think the mix would have a much greater impact if it was smoothed out in these areas and not so dominant or lacking in others. After all, live you wouldn't want to sound all harsh and tinny (hopefully), so work towards a more balanced sound mixwize too. I tend to think possibly your playback system isn't letting you hear this kind of stuff. If you were to play something you liked, then your stuff along side...it might help to hear what areas you need to improve on...providing your speakers are decent enuff to reveal that kind of stuff. This may sound kick ass on some mini computer speakers, but played on some big ole stereo speakers, it is lacking. It's "thumpy" and "fuzzy".
 
I'm putting it in the "it just sounds small" category - (second mix).

Listening...

Got an early 90's Ministry feel going on in parts... Cool...

A little mids in the guitars wouldn't hurt...

A little mids in the drums wouldn't hurt...

A little mids in the vocals wouldn't hurt...

A little mids in the bass wouldn't hurt... Is there an actual bass in there?

I'm seeing a pattern emerging...

You know, it's NOT the mids... It's the uppers & highs... There's more high-end information in here than I can handle...

Standby - RTA-ing... Yeah, there's some highs in this puppy... Lots & lots. Straight up to & past 10K which has almost as much level as 200Hz. Well, we know where the lack of "warmth" is coming from...

Vox seem a bit loud for the mix, but with "everything" pretty equally distorted, I guess it's the only way to make them come out...

I'd try to be a little more conservative with the distortion here and there... Especially on the guitars - All "fuzz" and no "crunch" - Needs to sound like the guy's got a pair.

Keep it goin' - It's getting there...

John Scrip - www.massivemastering.com
 
Thanks for the indepth details----

One thing is our stereo downstairs ----- we have to take everything upstairs to a better system to listen----- and it rocks ass up there. We dont go by waht our computer speakers sound because they are new ones and are way better sounding than our downstairs speakers.

In tweaking from the suggestions earlier we cut down much of the highs and mid----- seems like we are just kickin ourselves in the ass--lol--- boosted the low for the drums and bass---

I gotta say that the buzz on the guiitar is just what MAtt liked for this tune----- when he was tweaking on the suggestions for the 2nd try---- he hated messing with them, because he loves it.


I am afraid that if we keep tweaking things to sound a certain way that we will totally loose our feel to the song----


we will keep at it------ I think we may just end back up to what we liked in the first place, with only minor adjustments.

Everything you all are suggesting is very appriated---- I thank you!!!

I agree Massive---- I am not to happy with the over all sound on the second one --- just that it sounds more togehter---- And MAtt really likes the first one way better----

Ill print this out for him tonight-------
 
Just keep in mind that everyone here is giving you the "Well, this is what I'd do..." thing.

If you and Matt have this sounding exactly how you want it, it's PERFECT and don't let anyone tell you different.

I'm sure if Al Jourgensen posted stuff here, people would say the same things about his stuff.

John -
 
Massive Master said:
Just keep in mind that everyone here is giving you the "Well, this is what I'd do..." thing.

If you and Matt have this sounding exactly how you want it, it's PERFECT and don't let anyone tell you different.

I'm sure if Al Jourgensen posted stuff here, people would say the same things about his stuff.

John -
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except if the fidelity is subpar without that intention, they'll have a tough time getting people to enjoy listening to it, if the quality is not what they are expecting sonically. Sure...it's the music that's important, but home brew sounding fidelity can turn off a lot of people too...

I think people [here in the clinic] can look at material like this, as their viewpoint can be perceived as "being outside the box" and offer suggestions and ideas that the creator might have a tough time hearing, being so personally involved, or even technically limited, and have them be valid, worthwhile suggestions. Kinda in the vein of "everyone's a producer here"...but that is why you have producers... for the most part. Someone who can step back and applaud the good parts and point out the not so good parts.

I have a feeling that IF the guitarist were provided with a much more "forceful" sound over the fizziness of it now, would appreciate the potential "improvement" it might have. You can still have "fuzz", but a little "drive and power" in addition might really help drive this kind of music into the listeners chest. This might take the aide of someone that can accurately and descriptively describe how and what that might be.....but also potentially demonstrated while tracking, and not trying to "fix it in the mix" Good engineers[worth their weight in gold] are a good source for this, obviously.

But, I will agree that if Betty and Matt have it sounding "perfect" to them, they are the FIRST people they need to pleeze....and after that, it's a matter of $$ and quantity of listeners that may change that....if at all.
 
Thank you JOhn and Mxr

I hope I didnt come off as not being able to take the suggestions. I value everyones imput or I never would have asked for any opinions. With that said, I guess all we are realizing that after trying to put all of them to use, we are losing what we like.

Matt is at it again rite now---- going for a happy medium.

One great factor for us on the fan base and stuff life that is these people dont do it for a living and alot not as a hobby---- so they like different and dont know that tec wise some of our stuff makes the pros cringe.... lol

they just love the all out differentness we have..

We are trying to learn more from you all..... but not so much that we lose us....... It is not yet perfect to us.



We really do value the imput and I hope it dont seem like I take it in the wrong way----
 
except if the fidelity is subpar without that intention, they'll have a tough time getting people to enjoy listening to it, if the quality is not what they are expecting sonically. Sure...it's the music that's important, but home brew sounding fidelity can turn off a lot of people too...
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That's really what I was getting at - Assuming the playing field was "level" (which obviously, in most cases it isn't) I'm just saying that one man's trash is another man's treasure -

I've spent more than my fair share of time chatting away with bands & artists (Jourgensen included - Coffee at Denny's) about this sound or that sound or "why did you want it that way" vs. "how did it GET that way" etc.

I don't mean to stick on the Ministry analogy (this song just resembled a style or two), but one could hardly say that most Ministry tracks sound "technically" good. However, that doesn't mean that you don't like the way it sounds.

But yes, "subpar without intention" I certainly understand, and many recordings obviously suffer from this particular fate.

I think that most people who are cranking out world class recordings probably A) wouldn't bother posting them AND B) wouldn't really care what any of us has to say about it. However, I don't think that too many "perfect" recordings exist anyway. I can always find "something" that I'd do different or what not. That being said, I think that just about any recording that you don't notice the recording is a fine thing.

Boy, sometimes I make so much sense - Other times I wonder why I started typing anything. Did I actually make a point here? :confused: Oh well, maybe next time...

John -
 
Massive Master said:
I can always find "something" that I'd do different or what not.

John -
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Lately I find it hard to sit down and actualy enjoy music as a listening experience. I'm always looking for something I'd "fix" Is this common? OPr am I a freak?
 
I'd love to hear you cover "I MIGHT LIKE YOU BETTER IF WE SLEPT TOGETHER"....or whatever that song is called, lol. I have no idea, but I always thought it was cool. You've got a similar attitude in your vocal.

Mix stuff has been hashed about above, so I'll just add that I agree with anybody who said the guits sound too overdriven; especially with that vocal effect going on. I think of the 2, you should keep the vocal effect and clean up the guitars some. The more I mix electrics, the more I'm coming to believe that less distortion = heavier sound...up to a point.

Anyway, keep punching.
Chris
 
LemonTree said:
Lately I find it hard to sit down and actualy enjoy music as a listening experience. I'm always looking for something I'd "fix" Is this common? OPr am I a freak?
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You're a freak. :D

I jest, I jest - Dude, I don't think I've just plain "listened" to music in 15 years. I can always hear gates opening (Metallica) or group VCA's (Megadeth) or strange anomalies (Alanis) or compression artifacts (eh? Pick an album...) or something...

It helps if you watch videos - There used to be a cable channel back in the 80's that played music videos all the time - It was like watching "Music Television" :D MVT or TVM or VTM or something like that. Someone discovered that the visual stimuli of hot chicks in videos would take your mind off of many problems with recordings or sheer lack of talent.

Seriously though... Once in a while, you hear a song that has actual passion in it - Sarah MacLachlan (sp?) a long time ago - I heard the demo for "Posession" - Not the hidden track on the album, but the same general thing. Just her and her piano. You could tell she was living that song - right in that moment, it was all that mattered to her. Within seconds, I had completely forgotten about the quality (or lack thereof) of the recording. Goose bumps, hair standing on the back of your neck, the whole nine. I don't even know why that one stands out in my head like that, but THAT's what it's all about.

I don't want to get into the whole "sterility" factor of a lot of today's stuff, but you know where I'm coming from -

John Scrip - www.massivemastering.com
 
Ms Betty, pls 4-give my ignorance, but where's your site/link?( :confused: :(
 
thanks guys!!!! And I dont mind the ministry comments at all---- Hell I dont mind any of the comments---

Q---- its ok sweety, just hit my www box, I have been trying to post the mp3s here and at the other place and I dont know why I cant do it...... I end up pissed off and just tell people to go to our site ---- I am still a novice at the computer.

We came to the comclusion last night after countless times trying to fix things that ---- We indeed love the first sound, that is what we are sticking with. It is us ,Bratty and unconventional

We were talking last night and figured out that with us, there is only the two of us in the band---- unlike normal bands , we have never quite cared about the clarity of the drummer or the thump of a bassist---- Our concerns are with mainly our parts--- when it is me on the bass we pump that alittle.. We dont have 4 0r 5 egos to forfill and spotlight in our tunes. And with no real sense of proper recording tec. we just strictly go for a different sound.

I figured out that I would rather shoot myself in the foot than conform to radio friendly, not knocking anyone who goes for that. I completely enjoy most of the music that everyone here makes and I can get something form every song I listen to.

We are gonna learn about panning and compression and shit like that from everyone--- but the things that drive most of you mad -- :) ;) is what we ourselves love-----

YOu guys are great and I would not trade ya for anything....
 
Betty:

I downloaded from the soundclick site.
I would probably echo Mr. Harris regarding the guitar tone.
It seems like for recording the distortion levels have too come down to make it more massive.
Pretty much opposite to playing live.
I would at least experiment with it and see for yourselves.
Chris is refering to the Romeo Void classic BTW.
I personally would like to hear a straight vocal on this.
When the guitars are way out there a good counterpoint can be a straight up vocal, IMO.

Sorry you couldn't get at Long Cool Woman, you didn't miss much vocally:D
 
cool song.. could use even more vocals..


I have to say something.. you said you and matt like the first version, but I think that's only because you can't imagine how good it would sound... I can picture it with a much better guitar sound, better drum samples etc.. if you could hear what I hear, you both would want it to sound that way..
 
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