Live drum mic'ing

[RecordingMaster]

I know how to mic drums in a recording situation, as well as live. But what are the best ways for playing in a bar band type of situation. I started a new classic rock weekend bar band type thing and I have a set of CAD drum mics that I record with.
2 electret condensors - OH's
3 dynamics - toms, snare
1 large diaphragm condensor - kick
audio technica low-range dynamic mic - floor tom
i never bother with a hat mic

Now, question 1
Should I bother doing X-Y with the OH's when playing live? I would assume that stereo shouldn't be a large focus when playing live in bars. If not, then should I maybe just throw one overhead up over top to decrease setup bulk and time?
Or should I not use an OH at all in bars/clubs (I can't see the cymbals being lost in the mix in a small to medium playing environment)?

Q 2...
I've seen a lot of live audio engineers point the individual drum mics as close as possible to the head, resulting in the mic grill facing the edge of the head vs. the center. Is this OK for live, just to get the most focused sound, and to not get as much bleed from guitars, etc.? Or should I still try and point towards the center like when I do in the studio?

Any other suggestions on live micing every drum with or without OH's would be greatly profitable.
Thanks a million
Jay

 

[Adam P]

At every small club I've ever played, the drums were close miked (occasionally just the kick drum). Never overheads. I wouldn't see the need for them.

 

[Kryptik]

One of the local clubs in my area uses a pg81 to mic the hihat. Other than that I've never seen anything other than micing every drum. Depending on how much it picks up, the LDC on kick might give you feedback trouble if anybody wants to hear the kick through the monitors.

On a side note, If the drummer is using quieter cymbals (very rare, and I've never seen any drummer use them live) you may want to use the overheads. Most of the time the bleed through all the other mics is fine though.

As far as pointing towards the center vs. the edge, I don't know. I've seen sound guys do both. I think staying out of the way of the drummer has more to do with it than sound. In my limited experience doing live sound, I just threw them up there and left it at that.