Line in Recording Vs Mic'ed Amp?

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Hey guys,
I am just starting to record guitar on ProTools Se. Im running an amp emulator (Johnson J-Station) through a M-Audio FastTrack pro recording interface, which connects through usb into my windows system.

Currently, I am looking to upgrade my setup, possibly buying a full-featured DAW software and maybe a new line-in amp emulator like a Line 6 POD, but I was wondering if any of you guys have had a better experience with just sending the guitar signal into an amp and recording that with a microphone.
Which method do you prefer and why?

Thanks
 
.... with just sending the guitar signal into an amp and recording that with a microphone.


Yeah.....like, that's how just about every great guitar tone, across every music style over the last 50 years has been recorded.

Questions? :)
 
I agree. Although I might add any good amp will sound better than a simulator. However if you only have a crappy amp a sim might be better. I get much better sounds through a Fender Blues JR. than though sims. Unless I'm going for super distorted metal tones. In that case I would still recomend a Mesa or a Marshall or something over a sim.
 
While I am totally for recording a guitar amp with a microphone, which is what I always do, the idea that all the greatest guitar recordings were done that way is not exactly true. There are PLENTY of soul and funk records where the guitar was plugged directly into the line-in of the console and recorded that way. There are also many instances where a distortion pedal was plugged in the same way in a lot of older records for raspy distortion such as on Rodriguez's Cold Fact. It was not uncommon. No cabinet or amp modeling there and it sounded great in that material.

Saying that there are a lot of variables at play when recording live guitar with a mic and those include a potentially problematic room which can make getting consistent tone pretty difficult if there are dips and humps in its frequency response, particularly when playing loud enough to excite the room. Ironically you have to really push a tube amp to get a good sound out of it. Then you have to place the mic - the RIGHT mic - correctly to achieve the sound you want. Then there's the matter of having the right amp at your disposal to supply the tone you're after. The list goes on. Recording electric guitar competently is not just a simple matter of mic->amp->guitar. However, as we all know, once you get it right, there's just something about recording a great guitar played by a great player with the right mic in the right position in the right room. It can be magical and trumps an amp-sim every time.

The advantages, on the other hand, of using a good amp-sim are many. No inconsistent room tone to deal with. No mics. Vast tonal variety. Saved settings for total recall. There's something to be said for just plugging in and getting going on what's important: being inspired and getting the vibe of playing. Given that amp-sims these days like the Kemper modeling amp, AxeFX and others are getting so good, it's no wonder people are turning to their convenience. I personally have always thought Line 6 was vastly underrated because of the stigma of the clownfucking aspect. People are skeptical of digital, especially the luddites who cling to their '57 Les Pauls and precious JTM45 originals.

At the end of the day it depends on what your goal is. Amp sims may work for some material and may not for others. Line 6 is good option and they are the pioneers of amp modeling. FWIW, I know for a FACT from touring with these bands that Goldfinger and Mushuggah used Pod Pro's instead of amplifiers on all of their lives shows. No amps at all besides dummy amps. Weezer also did it. In my opinion, the prowess of the player is far more important than the nuances between real vs. digitally modeled amps.

My 2c.

Cheers :)
 
Use what you've got, to get the job done.

I use both methods depending on what sound I want.
 
A Pod won't give you anything better than your current input method. The sound quality is all about the sim you are using. If you can't mic an amp, then find software that gives you the sound you want. I recommend Line 6 Pod Farm 2.5 - as a plug-in it has a huge amount of amp sims, speaker sims and FX sims available.
 
i prefer to use a device like the Palmer PDI-09 to get a line level signal, versus using a modeler.

i like the real thing.

and the palmer, often times, sounds better than the mic.

just depends on certain things on a song-by-song basis.
 
i love Marshall and you'll love too ... just try...

I agree, I wasn't trying to shun them to only metal tones. I was just saying that they can do heavy distortion better than fenders. The rhythm guitarist in my band was using a JCM800 into a 4x12 at a club and it sounded supafly! :D
I would also like to add that a hardware preamp can be a good option too. I have a mesa V-Twin that sounds great, I have heard great things about tech 21 gear. A pod might sound good into an amp too. I remember my pops got a pod in the early 2000's and hated it but maybe they have improved, or maybe his expectations were too high.
 
Direct in can be exactly the sound you want.......sometimes. For instance, many ryhthum guitar parts are direct in. Less so with lead parts. That being said........a good amp mic'd by a good mic is hard to emulate and there are endless ways you can play with that sound.
 
....the idea that all the greatest guitar recordings were done that way is not exactly true. There are PLENTY of soul and funk records where the guitar was plugged directly into the line-in of the console and recorded that way.

I don't think anyone said "all" were done that way.
Sure....DI recording is nothing new, and for some types of guitar parts it did and it may work out well...but not many people get all wet about some funk rhythm guitar tone...etc. ;)
AFA the guitar tones that most players love and chase after, and many listeners have become very familiar with over the years....the majority were done with amp/cab/mic (and whatever else the player stuck in-between the guitar and amp).
The OP was really asking if using an amp/cab/mic could be a better experience...and that's what I found ironic, since so many great guitar tones have been done that way in the last 50+ years!

Recording electric guitar competently is not just a simple matter of mic->amp->guitar.

Tell me about it. Sometimes it is that simple....other times you have to work for it.
I tracked a lead guitar part the last couple of days....and I went through 5 guitars, 4 amps and 2 mics looking for the right combination. It's not that any were really bad sounding, it was more about finding exactly the tone I was after for a particular song.

I don't think having a modeler makes it all that much easier to do that...you can still spend time dialing in a tone, and to this day, when it comes to any kind of "crunch" tones, I still don't much care for what sims offer. Yes, it sounds the same....ALL the time...that homogenized "buzz", and that's what I hate about it, but that's just my personal taste.
I like the more organic, not-always-perfect crunch of a real amp. Otherwise, modelers can work well for a lot of situations too if that's what you have to use, but again, the OP has gone down that path and was asking if using amp/cab/mic would be better...and that's the part that made me kinda' chuckle. :D
 
It is always a variable from project to project, but sure, a well miced amp is better than a simulator.
However, I have had really good results reording the guitar di with a simulator plug like Eleven for tracking, and then reamping and micing the amp.
Blending the 2 signals, both the amp simulator and the miced track can be awesome, if you get the phase right. :)
 
but I was wondering if any of you guys have had a better experience with just sending the guitar signal into an amp and recording that with a microphone.
Which method do you prefer and why?
I prefer the mic and amp but there are a variety of ways of recording guitar, including sending the sim thru an amp !
 
I'm using the Eleven Rack and loving it.

You do have to spend some time tweaking it though. Just like any other processor, the presets are merely ok, while after a little bit of patch tweaking, they can sound great. If you are looking to go from PT SE to a full version of PT, I'd say pick up the 11R. For the same price as PT10 ($699.99) you get the 11R which comes with a full version of PT. Kind of a no brainer; PT, or PT with the 11R for the same price.
 
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