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I recorded a local punk band live. I thought it was a pretty good effort for a live recording without any overdubs, samples, triggers or Drumagog. Only annoying aspect is the band wanted it a little brighter than what I originally mixed--which had a bit more low end. However--the customer is always right.

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Uggh!!!! Resample that MP 3. It sounds Super cheesy

Also what was your mic technique and was this mixed Live to tape or multitracked and then mixed????
 
Resample the mp3? Sounds super 'cheesy'? Could you be a little more technical?

Mic technique was nil... I took a feed off the house mixer. When doing a live recording you can't exactly start telling the soundguy what's what because *HE's* getting paid by the club to be responsible for the live sound. I'm just there to record the band.

So basically however they record it is how it goes, and I don't know if you have any experience with live rock bands but most soundguys put a few Audix (or similar quality) mics on the drum kit, maybe a D112 on the bass guitar, usually NO overheads on the drum kit and so on. Oh yeah, and then they gate the shit out of it.

If you've never tried mixing a live recording like this I'd urge you to give it a whirl--it's far more challenging than you may first believe.
 
dRiBb said:
what gear did you use...
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The live sound engineer had a Soundcraft Ghost 32x8 mixer and was responsible for all the live setup and equipment. Low end Audix mics on the toms, SM57 on tom, C1000 on high hat, D112 on kick, D112 on bass, SM57 on guitar, SM58's on vocals.

I patched my HD24XR off the direct outs of the main mixer and got 10 tracks (all I needed). Then I dropped them into my PC via the Fireport and did some editing in Wavelab and cursory mixing (subtractive EQ and compression mainly, some reverb) in Cubase SX. Then I moved everything back onto the HD24XR and mixed it down on my A&H 24x8 mixer.

Once I had the 2 channel stereo mixdown I put it back into Wavelab and hit it with a multiband compressor, EQ and peak limiter.

The band wanted it a little brighter than my original mix. I'm not 100% on their version but they paid for it all so they get to make that choice. The first mix had a more prominent low end and less sizzle on the high end.
 
Cloneboy Studio said:
The first mix had a more prominent low end and less sizzle on the high end.
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Sounds like you have better ears than they do. Like maybe they're deaf. It happens after a few years of playing in clubs, right? lol.

Weird though...it actually doesn't sound like any of it's off the board. It sounds more like a single room mic. Do you still have all the tracks? I'd kill to take a crack at mixing this for fun. :D (*hint*).

Thanks for posting. Live recordings always present their own unique challenges, eh?
 
AdrianFly said:
This sounds like utter crap.
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Could you be more specific to WHY it sounds like "utter crap"? I mean, it lacks the low end I wanted but utter crap seems like too hard of an opinion. I mean, I don't like your MP3's listed on your site because the acoustic sounds way too direct and hollow, and the drums are lifeless and sterile lacking any punch or zing (probably because they sound like a drum machine was used), and overall the mix lacks any midrange body--but I wouldn't say they were "UTTER CRAP"... they are just not to my liking.
 
chrisharris said:
Weird though...it actually doesn't sound like any of it's off the board. It sounds more like a single room mic. Do you still have all the tracks? I'd kill to take a crack at mixing this for fun. :D (*hint*).
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If you want to take a stab at it I can host the 3 gigs of files on my FTP site for you. It'd be interesting to see what you can do with it. Word of warning: the soundguy really laid the gate on thick past the point of irritation.
 
Cloneboy Studio said:
Could you be more specific to WHY it sounds like "utter crap"? I mean, it lacks the low end I wanted but utter crap seems like too hard of an opinion. I mean, I don't like your MP3's listed on your site because the acoustic sounds way too direct and hollow, and the drums are lifeless and sterile lacking any punch or zing (probably because they sound like a drum machine was used), and overall the mix lacks any midrange body--but I wouldn't say they were "UTTER CRAP"... they are just not to my liking.
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Hi there!

I enjoy punk music however, the punk band in the .Mp3 you listed isn't my cup of tea. The "Utter Crap" had nothing to do with your work at all. You captured the bands essence in it's purest form, even though they could have used more cowbell.

In my opinion your results are fantastic, given what you had to work with. If I was assigned that job I would have charged the band an extra five bucks for a vomit bucket. I agree that it's a tad too bright. If by chance they wanted that, "raw live punk band" sound I have no idea why they wanted it that way. You said it correctly though, the customer is always right.


Keep up the good work! :)



ps. May I have your permission to post your review of my work on my webpage? :o
 
Cloneboy Studio said:
If you want to take a stab at it I can host the 3 gigs of files on my FTP site for you. It'd be interesting to see what you can do with it. Word of warning: the soundguy really laid the gate on thick past the point of irritation.
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wow...3gb of files for this one tune? Lol. There's no way I could ask you to upload all of that. However, if it's 10 files or less and you want to convert them to 320Kbps mp3 files, I'd still love to take a crack at it. I know it's a hassle, and the only "reward" you would receive is a brief moment of uncontrollable laughter when you heard my mix, but that's better than a kick in the nuts, right? lol. Thanks if you bother.
 
chrisharris said:
wow...3gb of files for this one tune? Lol. There's no way I could ask you to upload all of that. However, if it's 10 files or less and you want to convert them to 320Kbps mp3 files, I'd still love to take a crack at it. I know it's a hassle, and the only "reward" you would receive is a brief moment of uncontrollable laughter when you heard my mix, but that's better than a kick in the nuts, right? lol. Thanks if you bother.
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The whole show (32 minutes) was 3 gig. That song shouldn't be too big. I'd have to go rip it off the HD24 and cut it down to just that song... which wouldn't be too hard to do.

Oh, for amusement, I already pitch shifted the vocals up an octave--but preserved tempo--to get that Alvin & the ChipPunks sound, which I do for all of my clients (secretely) for my own amusement. I should have saved a copy... muhahhaha.... :)
 
Nearly 51,000 clipped samples in this solid wall of noise, and it sounds like it... and worse (if that is at all possible). I can dig the genre dude, but I sincerely do hope you didn't take any money from this band to fuck up this badly. I could have done better with a Panasonic cassette deck...on drugs. And there you are yakking since May of this year on this site about your extensive, albeit used, equipment and knowledge...and you must be totally clueless about BASIC recording techniques. Is this for real, or are you shitting us here on these boards? Whatever your day job is, not only keep it, but kindly inform my fellow board members as to what you do for a living, so that we can all steer clear from your trade skills from hell. Oh, and have a nice day. ---Lee
 
"Oh, for amusement, I already pitch shifted the vocals up an octave--but preserved tempo--to get that Alvin & the ChipPunks sound, which I do for all of my clients (secretely) for my own amusement. I should have saved a copy... muhahhaha...."


OR do you mean that "Newfound Glory-style poppunk sound"? :D

There's a lot of stuff out there sung high enough that it'd probably actually not be too bad pitch-shifted DOWN an octave.. hehe, that would be neat.
 
Live club off the board feeds suck...and with a "punk" band well you gets what you gets!..their levels are reletive to the volume on stage and we know they are F'ed..Next time maybe pull a submix if you can..could be off the buss to a small four channel mixer even..Lee..No need to be rude IMO
 
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Henri Devill said:
Lee...No need to be rude IMO
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Lee's a good guy. I think they have a history from a different thread where Cloneboy was pretty unreasonably harsh.
 
chrisharris said:
Lee's a good guy. I think they have a history from a different thread where Cloneboy was pretty unreasonably harsh.
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Oh....Carry on :D
 
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