Killing 2 birds with 1 stone + Studio Building Log

[DrumRookie]

So as of yet I've still not made any bass traps because I've been err... Preoccupied. (a.k.a. lazy)
Now it's time for me to get back in line with my objective right now: Build bass traps.

But I got this idea before I went to bed last night, what if I made a hybrid acoustic treatment/soundproofing panel? Seems like the odd or good ideas always come to you at 2:00 A.M...

A few possibly important details:
1. I have relatively low ceilings in my small basement dwelling (86 inches from floor to ceiling).
2. The room is mostly square, and approximately 10' 6" W x 9' 2" L
3. My desk is in the front left corner of the room. Unfortunately, I acquired the desk prior to the day that I figured out I wanted to start making a studio (a long time ago).
4. It's a corner desk. (From what I've heard and understood, this is a no no.)
5. I really like this desk.
6. I don't wanna get rid of the desk...
7. But I will if it's going to prevent me from getting the best recordings I can.
8. I have a drum kit in the same room that I plan to mix in.
9. The kit occupies about 50% of the general area in the room.


I need to soundproof my room, as well as acoustically treat it.
My idea was to combine these two things into 1, sort of like a soundproofing/acoustic treatment panel.

I would be using one of these materials below for the acoustic treatment (planning to buy around 2 cases of 6):

Rock wool: Amazon.com: Roxul Acoustical Fire Batts, Mineral Wool, 2-inch, Case of 6: Musical Instruments
Rigid "rockboard" rock wool: Amazon.com: Roxul Rockboard 60, Mineral Wool Board 2" - Case of 6: Musical Instruments
Rigid Fiberglass: Amazon.com: Owens Corning 703 24"x48"x1" Fiberglass Boards - Pack of 6: Musical Instruments


I would essentially take This stuff (let me know if this material would work for good soundproofing), glue it (or nail it) to the back of a short wooden frame, place 1 piece of rock wool over (or in) the frame, and cover it with a material such as burlap or bed sheets.

The final result I estimate would come to around 5 - 5.5 inches for the ceiling clouds, and maybe 3 inches for the wall panels. I plan to just use rock wool for the wall panels.
And for the corner traps I would fill just the wood frame with rock wool as well.
So basically my main focus for this hybrid idea is for the ceiling, since 96% of the noise complaints come from upstairs.

The setup I was thinking was below:
1. To make 4 large ceiling panels in the hybrid method I came up with (the 4 panels would then cover 90% of the ceiling).
2. Make four 4'x3' "hybrid" ceiling clouds
3. Make 4 3' H x 2' W corner traps
4. Use the leftovers to make a few wall traps.

I also would like to use them once/if I move to another place, so I plan to make them non-permanent, and easily portable.


So is this is terribly crappy fantasy, or a possibly solution to my acoustic treatment and soundproofing problem?
I'd like to hear any of your thoughts or opinions on this, I would really appreciate it!

Thanks,
-DR

**My plan for the room (off topic, just for reference of what I plan to add or fix once I get a finished room).

1. Replace current, crappy speakers with KRK Rokit monitors.
2. Replace current kit with Gretsch Renown's or Mapex Saturn's (undecided between the two)
3. If the corner desk will prevent me from getting good, accurate monitoring, I'll replace it as well.
4. Be able to record nice, clean drum tracks
5. Have a suitable set up and environment for reasonably accurate mixing (and possibly for practicing some mastering).
6. Add more lava lamps.**

 

[GIK Acoustics]

Those panels won't do anything for 'soundproofing'. Unfortunately a lot of stuff on the internet says things like foam and egg crates will block sound from leaving the room but it does not by any means, and neither will bass traps. The only thing that stops sound is mass, and more mass, and it has to be uniform - no leakage. Unfortunately, this means it usually requires a lot of construction and can become expensive fast.

As for treating the room, the plan is good though I would recommend taking off the foam as it won't serve any purpose (noise deadening or dampening). And since the typical material comes in 2' x 4' batts, I would suggest making the panels 2' x 4'. Search up "isolation" or "stc ratings" to get some better recommendations for "sound proofing"

Can you still use the corner desk in not a corner? I would highly suggest moving out of the corner.

Also, it is not called "Rock wool". Rockwool is a specific brand of insulation that is not available in the US. The correct term is "Mineral Wool". I would recommend making the traps at least 4" thick if you can for any surface, and straddling corners with the panels will add some good extra bass absorption for the panels.

 

[RAMI]

Those panels won't do anything for 'soundproofing'. Unfortunately a lot of stuff on the internet says things like foam and egg crates will block sound from leaving the room but it does not by any means, and neither will bass traps. The only thing that stops sound is mass, and more mass, and it has to be uniform - no leakage. Unfortunately, this means it usually requires a lot of construction and can become expensive fast.

As for treating the room, the plan is good though I would recommend taking off the foam as it won't serve any purpose (noise deadening or dampening). And since the typical material comes in 2' x 4' batts, I would suggest making the panels 2' x 4'. Search up "isolation" or "stc ratings" to get some better recommendations for "sound proofing"

Can you still use the corner desk in not a corner? I would highly suggest moving out of the corner.

Also, it is not called "Rock wool". Rockwool is a specific brand of insulation that is not available in the US. The correct term is "Mineral Wool". I would recommend making the traps at least 4" thick if you can for any surface, and straddling corners with the panels will add some good extra bass absorption for the panels.

OK, glad it's not just me. I re-read the OP twice, trying to find any mention of anything that resembles "sound-proofing" material.

 

[DrumRookie]

Thanks for clearing that up and correcting me, I appreciate it.
So it sounds like the idea really won't work, and I think I'll stick to treating the room acoustics using bass traps made with mineral wool.
And I'll try moving around the desk, but it's large and was made to be wedged right against the wall corner. I'll see what I can do about that though.

As far as the soundproofing goes, it looks like it will be a more involved process, and will include probably will have to take apart my ceiling

Thanks for the help Rami and GIK!

 

[chronicle]

As far as the soundproofing goes, it looks like it will be a more involved process,

Your insight is an understatement. First off...there's no such thing as "soundproofing". Once you grasp that concept ..try Transmission Loss. Once you grasp that concept..you might reconsider this statement...

and will include probably will have to take apart my ceiling

Transmission Loss isn't prejudice. Air/Floors/walls/ceilings/HVAC ducting/doors/windows...they're all equal partners in the transmission of sound from one space to another.

Here's the deal. Modifying existing residential rooms to increase the TL is difficult at best. And under certain circumstances..impossible. Especially for impact generated sound such as drums. Your best bet is knowledge. I would suggest buying this book for starters:

Home Recording Studio Build it Like the Pros: Rod Gervais: 0082039530345: Amazon.com: Books

TL construction is neither intuitive, easy nor cheap. I suggest learning as much as you can about it before doing anything.

 

[joel77]

......
And I'll try moving around the desk, but it's large and was made to be wedged right against the wall corner. I'll see what I can do about that though. ....

DR, I have a corner (triangular shaped) desk that I have sitting in the middle of the room. I have my monitor stands in the angles of the desk, if that makes any since! lol Maybe I should try posting a picture.

Joel
Studio 52

 

[RAMI]

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I know this idiot's banned, so I didn't bother reporting this. But, have you seen his posts?

I'm actually impressed. 17 posts spamming everything from sub-marines to hotels to rags.

I think we need a spam of the year award in this place!

 

[jonny deep]

I know this idiot's banned, so I didn't bother reporting this. But, have you seen his posts?

I'm actually impressed. 17 posts spamming everything from sub-marines to hotels to rags.

I think we need a spam of the year award in this place!

Are egg boxes a good material to use for sound-proofing a submarine?

 

[RAMI]

Are egg boxes a good material to use for sound-proofing a submarine?

Only if they're water-proof?