JV 1080/emagic logic question

[karambos]

Hello.

I would like to be able to play back 16 midi sequences through my Roland JV 1080 simultaneously using 16 different patches. As far as I understand it, I have to "move" the patches I want to the "USER PERFORMANCE LIST".

This is the first thing I don't know how to do.

But more to the point, I would like to then somehow "save" this newly created setup either within the Roland or within LOGIC (the sequencer I use) so that I can come back to it at a later date.

This is the second thing I don't know how to do.

As always, I'm extremely grateful for any help

citizen ignatz

 

[struberg]

have u already made a logic-environment that fits your synths?

This would be my first step. This is a hard point in logic, but it IS the secret why logic is so beloved in the pro area.

Do u have sounddiver?
If you have, than simply pick the JV1080 out of it.

Please send me a description of your envitonment (midi and audio) and i'll try to guide you in easy steps...

greets, Mark

 

[karambos]

environment

Hello Mark,

thankyou for trying to help me. Sadly, I don't have Sounddiver - I don't know what it is.

My environment. I haven't touched it since the day a very nice man from the music shop installed it for me. I will try to do my best to describe the midi and the audio areas.

AUDIO: in the audio window of the environment it looks like a mixing desk. There is a block of audio tracks numbered 1 to 16 and another block of audio tracks numbered 17 to 24. Tracks 1 to 16 are connected to to a small, thin white column called "A-Playback(1-16)" via 16 thin grey lines and tracks 17 to 24 are connected to another small, thin white column called "B-Playback(17-32)". I think these small, thin white columns are "channel splitters". Next to this, there is a block of 24 Audio Instruments which are not connected to anything. Next there is a block of 8 Returns connected to another small, thin column called "Bus Automation". Next there are 2 Masters and one Master Volume none of which are connected to anything. That's all there is in the audio window.

MIDI: in the midi window of my environment there are firstly, 16 very colourful icons.
The first one is a red grand piano called "M Cha 1".
The second one is a pink bass head called "M Cha 2".
The third is an light pink upright piano called "M Cha 3".
The fourth is a purple keyboard icon called "M Cha 4".
The fifth is a blue cello called "M Cha 5".
The sixth is a light blue noisey waveform called "M Cha 6".
The seventh is a glockenspiel called "M Cha 7"
The eighth is a guitar called "M Cha 8".
And so on until "M Cha 16" and "M all channels"

"M Cha 1" and "M Cha 2" are connected to another icon called "Layer 1&2" via two grey lines. Then there are two multi-instruments one called "Roland" (I presume that's the JV1080) and another one called "Akai" (which I presume is my sampler). The Roland is connected, via a grey line to a kettle drum icon called "Drums Mapped". That's all there is in the MIDI window.

MY entire studio consists of a Roland JV 1080, an Akai S3200, a Behringer 16 track mixing desk and an Opcode Studio 4 midi interface. I use a Mac.

I'm extremely grateful for your help.

Karambos

 

[struberg]

ok, where shall i start

The environment question was more about your synths/mixers/external fx/...
The audio environment you described seems to be the simple logic standard audio mixer environment.

MY entire studio consists of a Roland JV 1080, an Akai S3200, a Behringer 16 track mixing desk and an Opcode Studio 4 midi interface. I use a Mac.

thats what i wanted to know This is a perfect starting environment - you may buy a cheap Midi claviatur (Like the Roland PC180 i think) and a pair of studio monitors and then it will be really nice...

Let's save the quest. I'm using a pc, but the way should be almost the same.

The windows you opened were quite right for what we want to do. The audio window can remain unchanged, the midi environment should be changed slightly.
Step by step:
1.) You have 2 multiinstruments in your real world, so we have to create 2 multiinstruments in your logic environment. That step has been done by your merchant it seems.
Please ensure, that the midi port & channels are set correctly selecting the multi's.

2.) Enable the Prg Vol and Pan Checkboxes at each channel of your Roland multiinstrument. Then fiddle around with the parameters - voila! You should see the result on your 1080.
The point is, that the whole environment its channel settings included is part of the current logic song - once you save now, you will get those parameters set when loading the song the next time.
+) You also can export an environment without the midi data and set this as start environment for logic, but thats a different story. (And makes no sense cause you want have so much songs that use exactly the same instrument settings )
+) If you have to setup a instrument of your synths especially, you should do this via midi sysex on the first beat of each track. (I also do my prg-changes this way and EVER start my note-on's on beat 5, because so u also can take the midi only and go to a studio without logic)

3.) manipulate your sounds on your roland and store them ans 1080 user performance directly on your synth.

4.) not neccessary today, but if you want to connect other midi-hardware, you simply have to create other multi instruments.

This is the simple but nice way, but there is also the possibility to create an environment where you can visually control your 1080 and you 3200 completely, but thats what sounddiver is 4 - it is a collection of GREAT environments of 1000-s of synths, samplers,... (if u dont like the little knobs and the mickeymouse displays ) This also gives u the possibility to store your 'special program' as midi sysex in your logic environment.

ok, at last: you also can store your midi sysex like the program change at the first beat of each track, but u first have to get your program as midi-sysex. You can program the sounds on your roland an transfer those settings per midi-dump but that means frickling around for hours

i hope i've answered what u wanted to know and didn't tell u things you already knew for years...

greets,
mark

 

[karambos]

Many, many thanks for that superb reply. I had no idea you can control the synth from within the sequencer.

This is a perfect starting environment - you may buy a cheap Midi claviatur (Like the Roland PC180 i think) and a pair of studio monitors and then it will be really nice...

Actually, I have a Casio Celviano e-piano and my monitors are Genelec A1029's. I'm happy with it so far.

Please ensure, that the midi port & channels are set correctly selecting the multi's.

I'm not sure how to do this, but I get sounds from the Roland and the Akai. However, when I play back a sequence, ALL the midi lights on my interface light up. Whcih means there must be a signal going to all the outputs when I play back a sequence. Also, If I have the Akai switched on as well, then it plays along with the Roland which sounds horrible. Somehow I've got to separate the two within the environment.

+) If you have to setup a instrument of your synths especially, you should do this via midi sysex on the first beat of each track. (I also do my prg-changes this way and EVER start my note-on's on beat 5, because so u also can take the midi only and go to a studio without logic)

This will have to remain a question for another day, I think ....

once again many thanks

Ignatz

 

[struberg]

Somehow I've got to separate the two within the environment

Realy easy: open the arrangement window and then highlite the track with a single midi-channel on. I guess u have each instrument on a different track in your midi file. Click on the track name (ie Grand Piano) and u soon will get a popup with all 'instruments' (mappings into logic) u have. Select your Roland or your Akai and your midi-channel for the selected track.

U have to ensure that noone of the tracks are set to channel='ALL'. Muta all except one channel and look if u only get this single signal. Then mess around with the program...
+
ensure that there is no channel command in your midi-data (if you've loaded them from the net). This is best to be done with the event-editor of logic. Select the part u want to view, open the event-editor and only switch the 88-symbol and the sysex-symbol on, all others off -voila!

. Somehow I've got to separate the two within the environment.

ensure that the midi port is right for each instrument in the environment. Open the environment, select say the Akai multi and then u should have something like 'Opcode Midi 2' between the icon and the channel (in the left part of the window). Same thing with the 1080 but 'Opcode Midi 1' for example.

This will have to remain a question for another day, I think ....

I also think so.... don't u wanna know whats about 'Environment window'->new->fader->auto U can for example build an environment for your JV1080 and fully control ALL parameters from within logic by assigning sysex to all these sliders and knobs!

If u want to learn more about Logic then buy yourself "Das grosse Logic Audio Handbuch" from Kurt Hofmann/Johannes Prischl/Len Sasso. 700 pages pure Logic + samples on CD

cheers,
Mark

 

[karambos]

thanks

quite simply: thanks.

I'm very grateful for your taking the time to answer so thoroughly. It's been a great help and I'm going to hibernate (over the summer) and absorb everything you've told me. See you in the Fall!



Karambos