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pitchfork
knave
I know, I'm behind the times - but will AA2 read my CEP session files without a problem? Can I expect any trouble in reading any of my old files?
Thanks!
Thanks!
lpdeluxe
The Precision Bass Guy
Audition 2.0 will convert your sessions to its new format. They will then not be readable by CEP. The thing to do is to save a copy of each .ses and convert the copy into 2.0.
I went back to AA 1.5 to preserve compatibility between my recordings and those of a friend who has CEP.
The only thing I really miss is the single click tool in 2.0, but I prefer the workflow with CEP and AA prior to 2.0.
I went back to AA 1.5 to preserve compatibility between my recordings and those of a friend who has CEP.
The only thing I really miss is the single click tool in 2.0, but I prefer the workflow with CEP and AA prior to 2.0.
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pitchfork
knave
thanks, good info. the user manual of course does not address this - and it's hard to find anything online about CEP/AA compatibility issues. i suppose it's not something Adobe wants to advertise.
do you know if having CEP and AA installed on the same machine causes any problems? i was thinking of completely uninstalling CEP - but given the compatibility issue, maybe i want to keep them both.
do you know if having CEP and AA installed on the same machine causes any problems? i was thinking of completely uninstalling CEP - but given the compatibility issue, maybe i want to keep them both.
sikter
New member
You don't need to uninstall CEP for it.
I think it's possible to have all versions on one single PC runing XP.
I think it's possible to have all versions on one single PC runing XP.
lpdeluxe
The Precision Bass Guy
I currently have CEP 2.1, Adobe Audition 1.5 and 2.0 on my computer. No problems...since each one was an upgrade, I had to install from the beginning.
I think I have settled on 1.5 to use. It's compatible with my Mackie Control Universal and I've gotten too old and set in my ways to learn new procedures for mixdowns.
Another issue is that 2.0 saves EVERYTHING. Someone posted a utility here to reduce the size of the files, but you have to launch the utility every time you want to save a file without all the alternate takes, punch-ins and whatnot. You can tell 2.0 NOT to save it all, but that didn't occur to me until I had 20 songs that took up 33 GB!
AA 2.0 also makes you name and save your new session before you start recording, which annoyed me, even though I learned about saving the hard way.
Other issues that may be important is that 2.0 use VST (1.5 required a wrapper) and is ASIO enabled. For me, the native sound drivers have always worked fine for multi-track inputs, so that's not important.
However, 2.0 uses a very different way of configuring I/Os: in 1.5, you go to Options/Devices and set them there. With 2.0, you set them and then go to Edit/Save as Default Session or you'll find yourself setting it up all over again each time you open it up.
Since my boot drive developed the bad habit of requiring me to reinstall ASIO each time I started it up, that seemed to be a lot of trouble.
The differences in workflow are what really drove me back to 1.5...but I still have 2.0, and it may yet get used, especially if I record a guitarist with beau coups of finger squeaks: 2.0 has the only tool for getting rid of those that I've found.
Right now I'm editing a bunch of songs that were recorded to 8-track digital (Krog D888) at rehearsal; it's very easy to dump each one into 1.5 and deal with it there (each "song" is up to an hour long and contains maybe 10 individual tunes). Since I have 35 or so of the individual tunes, I wanted to use a program where I wasn't constantly trying to remember where it did what! Since I've been using CEP/AA since 05/2000 (CEP 1.2a) I went with the familiar.
I think I have settled on 1.5 to use. It's compatible with my Mackie Control Universal and I've gotten too old and set in my ways to learn new procedures for mixdowns.
Another issue is that 2.0 saves EVERYTHING. Someone posted a utility here to reduce the size of the files, but you have to launch the utility every time you want to save a file without all the alternate takes, punch-ins and whatnot. You can tell 2.0 NOT to save it all, but that didn't occur to me until I had 20 songs that took up 33 GB!
AA 2.0 also makes you name and save your new session before you start recording, which annoyed me, even though I learned about saving the hard way.
Other issues that may be important is that 2.0 use VST (1.5 required a wrapper) and is ASIO enabled. For me, the native sound drivers have always worked fine for multi-track inputs, so that's not important.
However, 2.0 uses a very different way of configuring I/Os: in 1.5, you go to Options/Devices and set them there. With 2.0, you set them and then go to Edit/Save as Default Session or you'll find yourself setting it up all over again each time you open it up.
Since my boot drive developed the bad habit of requiring me to reinstall ASIO each time I started it up, that seemed to be a lot of trouble.
The differences in workflow are what really drove me back to 1.5...but I still have 2.0, and it may yet get used, especially if I record a guitarist with beau coups of finger squeaks: 2.0 has the only tool for getting rid of those that I've found.
Right now I'm editing a bunch of songs that were recorded to 8-track digital (Krog D888) at rehearsal; it's very easy to dump each one into 1.5 and deal with it there (each "song" is up to an hour long and contains maybe 10 individual tunes). Since I have 35 or so of the individual tunes, I wanted to use a program where I wasn't constantly trying to remember where it did what! Since I've been using CEP/AA since 05/2000 (CEP 1.2a) I went with the familiar.
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knave
thanks sikter. seems to be working ok, and i'm liking AA2 so far - i had a corrupted session in CEP that would play but not mix, and AA2 mixed it no problem. so we're off to a good start!
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pitchfork
knave
yeah, i don't think i will have any of those issues (e.g., i don't use plug-ins) - i have a M-Audio 24/96 card and AA2 seems to be playing with that fine. though i haven't tried recording multi-track yet.
i saw some info elsewhere that explained how to get rid of all the takes you don't want once you have settled on one - i'll probably have to go dig that up.
i saw some info elsewhere that explained how to get rid of all the takes you don't want once you have settled on one - i'll probably have to go dig that up.
dobro
Well-known member
Both AA2 and AA3 make file management a bit cumbersome, but the tradeoff is worth it, I think. Both AA2/3 do direct-to-disk (or is it called direct-to-file, I forget) recording, so you don't have to wait for the application to process the temp files and the sessions once you stop recording a track - it's much faster and less frustrating to work with. But the price of that convenience is that you then have to delete all unwanted takes in Windows Explorer at some point. I try to do it immediately. I name and save the clips I want to save, and then:
1 delete the unwanted clips from Multitrack
2 save the session
3 go into Windows Explorer and delete the same unwanted clips there
The reason I name the clips I want to save first is to avoid deleting good stuff by accident.
Another upside is that it forces me to make decisions about what to keep and what to axe earlier, which saves me the time and trouble later on. Of course, if you don't want to make those decisions right away, you can just save the session and EVERYTHING you've recorded will be saved in a humongous folder waiting for you to wade through it at a later date.
1 delete the unwanted clips from Multitrack
2 save the session
3 go into Windows Explorer and delete the same unwanted clips there
The reason I name the clips I want to save first is to avoid deleting good stuff by accident.
Another upside is that it forces me to make decisions about what to keep and what to axe earlier, which saves me the time and trouble later on. Of course, if you don't want to make those decisions right away, you can just save the session and EVERYTHING you've recorded will be saved in a humongous folder waiting for you to wade through it at a later date.
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Sinistah
Plutonium Bundle Advocate
is there a way you can manually choose to save/delete leftover takes without AA2 doing it automatically.....
i havent recorded since someone broke my headphones but i noticed that alot of my songs created folders with alot irrelevant takes, and it took up a bulk of my PC memory........
i havent recorded since someone broke my headphones but i noticed that alot of my songs created folders with alot irrelevant takes, and it took up a bulk of my PC memory........
dobro
Well-known member
Au will automatically save EVERY take you make during a session, and there's nothing you can do about it except delete the unwanted stuff manually. Somebody over at Adobe came up with some sort of batch file application that can speed up the process of deletion, but I decided not to use it, cuz basically it works by trying to delete everything in the session (but stuff you've intentionally named and saved will remain). That kind of thing makes me nervous, so I decided to stick with the manual method.
lpdeluxe
The Precision Bass Guy
That's a big issue, as I noted above. I'd like 2.0 to save what I damn well tell it to save...where the earlier versions didn't save ANYTHING unless you remembered to tell. it to do it.
Somewhere there's a middle ground.
I cranked up 2.0 this afternoon to do some processing of mixdowns (once you have a 2-track mixdown, it saves it as an ordinary .wav file, and runs it with no compatibility issues) and I really like some of its features. Specifically, it's a lot more versatile...on the other hand, some of the presets in CEP or AA 1.5 were really cool and useful. I work with one singer who thinks the Effects/Delay/Reverb/Vocal Presence preset was designed with him in mind. I pretend that I thought it up myself....
Somewhere there's a middle ground.
I cranked up 2.0 this afternoon to do some processing of mixdowns (once you have a 2-track mixdown, it saves it as an ordinary .wav file, and runs it with no compatibility issues) and I really like some of its features. Specifically, it's a lot more versatile...on the other hand, some of the presets in CEP or AA 1.5 were really cool and useful. I work with one singer who thinks the Effects/Delay/Reverb/Vocal Presence preset was designed with him in mind. I pretend that I thought it up myself....
sikter
New member
Saving all files issue is well known.
I don’t know many people who wouldn’t like to change it back to the old fashioned way of saving files.
Beside that I wouldn’t change a thing.
In the mean time I do it like this.
1. Load up AA
2. Save the session (and overwrite existing Untitled.ses.)
3. Record
4. Name and save my files to MyNewProject-folder (this one is created by me)
5. Close all.
6. Open folder (in windows explorer) Untitled_recorded and delete everything.
Usually, I don’t do No 6 right away but ones a week.
This is not the perfect solution, I know, but I got used to it and it works for me.
sikter
I don’t know many people who wouldn’t like to change it back to the old fashioned way of saving files.
Beside that I wouldn’t change a thing.
In the mean time I do it like this.
1. Load up AA
2. Save the session (and overwrite existing Untitled.ses.)
3. Record
4. Name and save my files to MyNewProject-folder (this one is created by me)
5. Close all.
6. Open folder (in windows explorer) Untitled_recorded and delete everything.
Usually, I don’t do No 6 right away but ones a week.
This is not the perfect solution, I know, but I got used to it and it works for me.
sikter
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Sinistah
Plutonium Bundle Advocate
oh i do this too, i just don't like how they dump all the tracks into the folder, maybe i just need to start renaming the takes i'mma keep so it wont get so confusing when it's time to delete the extra's.....
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knave
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yeah, the file saving thing is too bad - i started doing it manually thinking there was an easier way i'd have to figure out, but it looks like manual is it. haha. but i basically do the same thing as dobro and sikter.
yeah, the file saving thing is too bad - i started doing it manually thinking there was an easier way i'd have to figure out, but it looks like manual is it. haha. but i basically do the same thing as dobro and sikter.