Just bought a 414 Porta, have a few questions..

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Hi there, I just bought a 414 porta and I have a few questions for anyone who can be bothered answering them.

1. Can you only bounce if you record using the L and R way of recording, as opposed to direct recording (1,2,3,4)??

2. I cant seem to get any of my tracks to pan once they are recorded, using either the L and R way, or direct recording.. is there a way to do this?
Once i learn how to pan and i want to import to my PC, is there a way to retain the panning?? or does it just all even up if I use a Y cord to plug into the mic imput of my comp??

3. Can you add effects after the track is recorded or does it have to be while the track is being recorded??

Thanks for your time.
 
Hey there, sorry that no one has answered this yet.

I have a 414, so I think I can be of help.

1. Can you only bounce if you record using the L and R way of recording, as opposed to direct recording (1,2,3,4)??

That's correct. Direct recording always records the source from the channel's input jack directly to that track. During bounce mode, you're combining sound from the tape---not from the inputs. Well, technically, you can also record a live track through an input while you're bouncing, but you'd still have to be using L or R recording mode. PAGE 26 IN MANUAL

Let's say you want to bounce tracks 1-3 to track 4. You'd put tracks 1-3 to "tape," pan them all hard right, and adjust the faders for the balance you want. On track 4, you'd switch to "record R" mode, and you'd press record. If you wanted to add a live performance to track 4 along with the bounce, I'm pretty sure you'd plug into track 4 and pan track 4 all the way to the right (so that input source is sent to the R buss along with tracks 1-3), and then hit record, playing along with the material that's being bounced.

2. I cant seem to get any of my tracks to pan once they are recorded, using either the L and R way, or direct recording.. is there a way to do this?
Once i learn how to pan and i want to import to my PC, is there a way to retain the panning?? or does it just all even up if I use a Y cord to plug into the mic imput of my comp??


I bet that's frustrating huh? :) How are you monitoring your tracks? In order to hear the panning, you need to be monitoring the main mix, and you need to be doing it by setting the track's "input" switch to "tape." If you're monitoring by listening to the tape cue/eff 2, you won't be able to hear the panning. The tape cue is a mono mix.

So, let's say you record a guitar on track 1 (either by plugging into and panning channel 1's input left and setting that channel to "record L" mode or by plugging into channel 1 and setting it to "1" mode). In order to here the pan, switch the record function to "safe," and set channel 1's input switch to "tape."

At this point, it depends on how your monitoring system is set up. If you're listening with phones or using the L/R "mon out" jacks to feed speakers, then you need to push the "L-R" (which basically stands for "main mix") switch next to the monitor knob (to the left of the zero return) and turn the monitor knob up, which acts as your volume.

If you're using the "line out L/R" jacks to feed speakers (or to feed a 2-track recorder that, when in record mode, feeds speakers), then you don't have to mess with the monitor knob or the "L-R" switch in the monitor section. You'll hear the pan as soon as you set the track's input switch to "tape."

When mixing to your computer, you don't want to use the mic jack. That's a mono input, and you will lose your panning if you do that. You want to use the "line in" jack. That's a 1/8" stereo jack. You'll need a cord that goes from RCA L and R to a stereo 1/8" male jack, like this:

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3452165

Or, you could just run a standard RCA cable from the 414 and use a Y-adapter that has two female RCA jacks and one male stereo 1/8" jack, like this:

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103225

You have to make sure the 1/8" plug is stereo though. When it's stereo, it'll have two little lines on the plug, like the ones above. If you get one that's mono, like this one, it won't work:

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102673

3. Can you add effects after the track is recorded or does it have to be while the track is being recorded??

Yes you can add them afterwards. The most common way to do it is by using the effects send. The 414 has two of them (though the second one can be used for the tape cue instead). PAGE 27 IN MANUAL.

Run a cord from the "effect send 1" jack to the input of your effects processor. Then run the L and R output of your processor to the 5-6 stereo input by using a stereo Y adapter, like this:

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103869

(Again, notice the two lines on the jack, indicating it's a stereo jack.)

You then turn up the "effect 1" knob on whichever channel(s) you want to be processed with the effect. For starters, set your processor's input and output knob in the middle, and the mix knob fully on. Back on the 414, set the 5-6 Level knob at about half way up. As long as you're monitoring the main mix, you should hear the effect.

If you're only planning on using one processor, you don't need to use the Y-cord adapter. You can just run the cord from the L output of the processor into the 5-6 input and the cord from the R output of the processor into the 7-8 input.

Using the effects send like this is very common because you can apply reverb, for example, to all 4 tracks if you want, but you can adjust how much each track gets by turning the channel's effect 1 knob.

Have fun! :)
 
howdy streetchant and famous beagle! I wanted to ask you 2 guys a
quick question if you don't mind. are you able to get a pretty good sound
with the 4 track cassette recorder? I don't see why not. I'm just curious.
I am so so far behind the curve on the digital stuff, especially all the computer
stuff, I just feel like giving up. am considering buying a cassette porta myself.
it seems like a LOT less useless info to learn, to me anyway. have either of you
guys ever off loaded any analog recordings onto a digital medium? like a friend
maybe who has an adat? or cubase? or something like that? any feedback is much
appreciated. thanks!

Billy
 
Ok great thanks so much, I only have a few more questions..
Panning isn't possible when bouncing correct??
and also, I am pretty sure my computer only has the mic in, and no other line ins. What can I do about this?? Is there a usb interface I can buy, what is a good cheap one??
 
howdy streetchant and famous beagle! I wanted to ask you 2 guys a
quick question if you don't mind. are you able to get a pretty good sound
with the 4 track cassette recorder? I don't see why not. I'm just curious.
I am so so far behind the curve on the digital stuff, especially all the computer
stuff, I just feel like giving up. am considering buying a cassette porta myself.
it seems like a LOT less useless info to learn, to me anyway. have either of you
guys ever off loaded any analog recordings onto a digital medium? like a friend
maybe who has an adat? or cubase? or something like that? any feedback is much
appreciated. thanks!

Billy

Hi Billy,

Yeah you can get pretty good sounds out of 4-track cassette. It has its own unique charm. It's not going to sound like a Pro Tools rig, and it's not going to sound like a 2" Studer, but it can sound nice.

Here's an example of a cover tune my wife and I did on my Tascam 414. Obviously, in order to post the mp3, we had to digitize it. I did this by running into Mackie Tracktion (a DAW program), which was no trouble at all.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=328768&songID=7774583
 
Ok great thanks so much, I only have a few more questions..
Panning isn't possible when bouncing correct??
and also, I am pretty sure my computer only has the mic in, and no other line ins. What can I do about this?? Is there a usb interface I can buy, what is a good cheap one??

Yeah you can get a USB device to do the job. Something like this should work just fine:

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-UCONTROL-UCA202-USBAudio-Interface?sku=702540

Regarding the panning during bouncing question, it depends on what exactly you're doing.

If you're bouncing internally--i.e., mixing two or three tracks on the 414 down to one track on the 414--then no, you can't really use panning because all that material is going to end up mono (on one track). I mean ... you do have to pan the source tracks to the proper side so that they end up on the destination track, which means panning them left to bounce to track 1 or 3 and panning them right to bounce to track 2 or 4.

If you're boucing externally, it's a different story. This would be done if you wanted to mix 3 or 4 tracks down to a stereo pair of tracks. And this requires another recorder of some kind. Technically, anything that will record in stereo will work, and the higher quality the better. A DAT machine would work, a nice cassette deck, or your computer would be a great option too. All you'd need would be a simple recording program; there are many free ones out there (such as Audacity) that would do the job perfectly.

With external bouncing, you could fill up all four tracks on the 414, mix those down to a stereo pair on your other machine, then fly those two tracks back over to tracks 1 and 2 of your 414, thereby freeing up tracks 3 and 4 for more recording. You could actually repeat this process as much as you'd like, but you'll be adding a bit of tape hiss and signal loss with each pass, so keep that in mind. When using noise reduction (like the 414 has), you can usually get away with the first external bounce with negligible degredation.

So when you do this process, panning (as well as EQ and effects, if applicable) is important, because you're mixing down to a stereo pair. Actually, external bouncing is no different on the 414 than final mixdown. It's just that you're then taking that final mix and moving it back onto the 414 to add more to it.
 
famous beagle, that is a very impressive demo. thanks for the link.
after searching for a 414 porta cassette recorder, I see that I can not
find one. maybe I am confused. I will search again. it seems that the only
4 track tascam products available are the small digital portastudio for
$199.99 pretty much everywhere. I guess one of them would be ok.
and I imagine the analog recorders are available on ebay and so on, but that
seems kinda iffy to me. maybe I'm wrong. but I like to be able to take stuff
back if it doesn't work. thanks for the info. cheers! :)
 
famous beagle, that is a very impressive demo. thanks for the link.
after searching for a 414 porta cassette recorder, I see that I can not
find one. maybe I am confused. I will search again. it seems that the only
4 track tascam products available are the small digital portastudio for
$199.99 pretty much everywhere. I guess one of them would be ok.
and I imagine the analog recorders are available on ebay and so on, but that
seems kinda iffy to me. maybe I'm wrong. but I like to be able to take stuff
back if it doesn't work. thanks for the info. cheers! :)

Hey Billy,

You actually can still find a Tascam 414 MKII for new. They're not at Musician's Friend anymore or antyhing, but there are still some places that have them. I'd search "Tascam 414" on google. Here's one instance:

http://www.madmanaudio.com/tascam-portastudio-p-1167.html

The main difference between the one I have and the MK II is that the II has 2 XLR inputs and a dedicated Hi-z guitar/bass 1/4" input. These factors didn't matter to me, because I'm running through an external mic pre/DI box anyway (M-Audio DMP3).

However, the link above has it for $199 new. If brand new is really that important to you, then ok. But you can get one used in excellent condition for probably $60-$100 (including the price of shipping). These units are famous for being bought, used a few times, and then sitting for years. People either lose interest or "upgrade" to the new shiny digital piece. And we can cash in on that.

Here are just a few examples on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Tascam-4-track-...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2a01f26c48

Ha! Read the description --- exactly what I was talking about. :)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Tascam-Portastu...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2c51502e78


And here's an example of what some of these sold for:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Tascam-Portastu...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c0d32d221

http://cgi.ebay.com/TASCAM-414-PORT...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item45eea619a3

http://cgi.ebay.com/TASCAM-414-MULT...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a9b39b771

So, that's the way I would go! :)
 
Hi Billy,

Yeah you can get pretty good sounds out of 4-track cassette. It has its own unique charm. It's not going to sound like a Pro Tools rig, and it's not going to sound like a 2" Studer, but it can sound nice.

Here's an example of a cover tune my wife and I did on my Tascam 414. Obviously, in order to post the mp3, we had to digitize it. I did this by running into Mackie Tracktion (a DAW program), which was no trouble at all.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=328768&songID=7774583

awesome recording famous!! I enjoyed.
 
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