FoulPhil
Well-known member
I think it needs a lot of work, but I wanted to get some opinions before trying anything else. What do you think?
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Greg_L
Banned
Well, to me, the whole thing sounds very fake. The drums really need some humanizing,. These drums aren't doing anything super human, so there's no need for them to sound this robotic. If it were some mega blastbeating death metal drums, then sure, make them sound machine-gunnish. But this isn't like that. Any ol mortal drummer can play this track, so they need to sound that way. The guitars are pretty good, but they kind of have a two dimensional slightly fizzy sim sound. They lack the chunk and dimension of a real speaker. Or, if you did use an actual amp, it's a clean capture, but whatever you've done to the guitar tracks has squashed them flat. I think I should be feeling those chugs, and it just aint happening. The bass is okay, and I won't even comment on the vocals. 
Good choice of song for a death metal cookie-monster cover. I'd actually like to hear you do more with it. Change it up some.
Good choice of song for a death metal cookie-monster cover. I'd actually like to hear you do more with it. Change it up some.
FoulPhil
Well-known member
I get exactly what you're saying man. I had to kind of fake my way though the whole song. I want to get into doing the DI guitar signal and reamping it, but unfortunately I don't have a way to do that right now. I'll have to get the gear for reamping when I have the money later down the road. I don't have a drummer either and that's why the drummer is so robotic lol. I don't have any way to humanize it more. I know the vocals need a lot of work as well. I did them in 1 take just to have some vocals sitting in there to see how it effects the rest of the sound.
I'm doing a bunch of covers for fun, but I'm not sure I can do it much better than it is. I wish I could win the lottery and buy better gear LOL... Right now I have to work with what I have and I'm not sure it's even worth wasting my time on it with so many limitations. It's still fun doing it anyways
I'm doing a bunch of covers for fun, but I'm not sure I can do it much better than it is. I wish I could win the lottery and buy better gear LOL... Right now I have to work with what I have and I'm not sure it's even worth wasting my time on it with so many limitations. It's still fun doing it anyways
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Greg_L
Banned
I get exactly what you're saying man. I had to kind of fake my way though the whole song. I want to get into doing the DI guitar signal and reamping it, but unfortunately I don't have a way to do that right now. I'll have to get the gear for reamping when I have the money later down the road. I don't have a drummer either and that's why the drummer is so robotic lol. I don't have any way to humanize it more. I know the vocals need a lot of work as well. I did them in 1 take just to have some vocals sitting in there to see how it effects the rest of the sound.
I'm doing a bunch of covers for fun, but I'm not sure I can do it much better than it is. I wish I could win the lottery and buy better gear LOL... Right now I have to work with what I have and I'm not sure it's even worth wasting my time on it with so many limitations. It's still fun doing it anyways
Why are you wanting to re-amp? Don't you have some badass metal rig like a 6505 or something? I thought you did anyway. If so, just record it. The drums can be significantly humanized. I don't know how, I just know it can be done. Start a thread about it and you'll get a ton of help I'm sure.
DogmaticVox
Meh...
Yeah, where are the blast beats? Where's the rapid fire double bass? 
You've also got a case of "guitar player trying to write a drum part". You need to work on getting your drums programmed to sound like a real drummer is playing them. There's way more nuance that goes into even the most basic beats that is completely missing here. Part of that, if you're using MIDI, is to manually alter the velocity of every drum hit. Varying the velocity mimics what a real drummer does. The other part is that nuance of adding more cymbal hits, small fills, hi-hat variations, etc. It will take a lot more time, but you'll get results you're happy with.
Check out this track from this dude Stemage: Fat Man in the Pool | Stemage
He programs all his drums and painstakingly tends to each MIDI note that is placed. The end product makes it sound much more real.
You've also got a case of "guitar player trying to write a drum part". You need to work on getting your drums programmed to sound like a real drummer is playing them. There's way more nuance that goes into even the most basic beats that is completely missing here. Part of that, if you're using MIDI, is to manually alter the velocity of every drum hit. Varying the velocity mimics what a real drummer does. The other part is that nuance of adding more cymbal hits, small fills, hi-hat variations, etc. It will take a lot more time, but you'll get results you're happy with.
Check out this track from this dude Stemage: Fat Man in the Pool | Stemage
He programs all his drums and painstakingly tends to each MIDI note that is placed. The end product makes it sound much more real.
FoulPhil
Well-known member
I have a Jet City Amp lol. I want to reamp so I can just focus on jamming it perfect and then be able to send that signal to the amp and then focus on moving the mics around until I find the right sound etc.
Yeah, where are the blast beats? Where's the rapid fire double bass?
You've also got a case of "guitar player trying to write a drum part". You need to work on getting your drums programmed to sound like a real drummer is playing them. There's way more nuance that goes into even the most basic beats that is completely missing here. Part of that, if you're using MIDI, is to manually alter the velocity of every drum hit. Varying the velocity mimics what a real drummer does. The other part is that nuance of adding more cymbal hits, small fills, hi-hat variations, etc. It will take a lot more time, but you'll get results you're happy with.
Check out this track from this dude Stemage: Fat Man in the Pool | Stemage
He programs all his drums and painstakingly tends to each MIDI note that is placed. The end product makes it sound much more real.
Dude that's like days of work that I wouldn't be able to do without wanting to commit suicide lol.
DogmaticVox
Meh...
Totally. I don't have the patience for that either. And I don't have the disposable cash for one of the more expensive apps that "humanizes" the drums for you.
FoulPhil
Well-known member
Yeah I need to quit playing with this crap. It never ends up being as good as I want. Need to do some major upgrades. Time will tell.
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Greg_L
Banned
Oh.....I see.
I saw a 20 watt Jet City head at the music shop and I was thinking man that thing is pretty cool. Then I played it and walked away in disgust. I just couldn't get a good sound from it. It was either woofy and mucky or fizzy and brittle. There was no happy crunch in there. Maybe some pedals could have helped it out.
FoulPhil
Well-known member
It's the 50 watts tube amp. It's sounds much better than all the amps I've had before it lol. I just need to save up for a JCM800. I saw a 2X12 JCM800 combo on CL for $700 bucks and would of jumped on it if I had the money LOL. That with the discontinued BOSS "Heavy Metal" pedal would give me the sound I want. Unfortunately everything costs money so it's just a matter of me slowly getting new stuff here and there. Every year I'll expand a little.
