Joemeek TwinQ vs Focusrite Twin Track

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I see alot of people asking about an opinion on a good cheap pre. I have heard good things about the Focusrite Twin Track and i have seen the Joemeek TwinQ mentioned. Anybody have both and have an opinion? Im looking for something I can use for anything from drum overheads or guitar amps. Everyone in this forum seems to be into the RNP. Is it really that good?
 
Sorry bro' no experience with the JoeMeek but I do have a Focusrite Twin Track which I really like. I got it mostly for drum tracking and it does the job great on overheads. It also works well on acoustic guitar when recording in stereo with 2 mics. The compressor isn't the best nor is the pre-amp section. One thing I loved is the selectable impedence and the sweepable EQ. This is not a beginners unit as a lot of button pushing is needed to get the sound you want. For the price it is worth a try.
 
Once again I will sing the praise of the Safe Sound P1. I own (and use) a Focusrite VMP, An HHB Radius 50, a Toft atc -2 and the P1. The last two get pulled out every single time I record. The P1 has a good compressor, excellent limiter, nice expander, and it acts as a wonderful DI for bass (eliminates all "wooomp" issues) I like the Focusrite but I love the P1 and the Toft. My next pre will be the Drawmer 1960 merc
 
Honestly thanks to the two of you that offered advice. Thats why I joined this BBS.

I am totally looking to go for the simple use route. Im a big fan of getting things to sound "right" before they even hit a mic but I want something simple that does not require alot of tweaking to get the sounds i want. Overheads and Guitars are the main Idea. I have used 57s but usually used an e609s on the guitar and a pair of oktava mk012's for my overheads and I am looking to add warmth and make them stand out on my recordings.
 
I own a Joemeek twinQcs, and the Focusrite pres in my Digi002 are very similar to the twin trak, at least the basic pres. I haven't head the new twinQ, which is arriving on U.S. soil December 10th. The Focusrite pres I have are clean, and kind of "plain vanilla". I use them for 4 auxiliary tracks (additional drum tracks). The main tracks go through an Avalon AD2022 or the twinQ. As much as I love the twinQ, I'm taking the leap of faith and trading it in on a new twinQ, which has a number of additional features, including 5 band EQ, built in digital outs, and the ability to move the transformer in and out of the signal chain. The twinQ isn't good for everything, but for a lot of things, it's great. Excellent for vocals, especially for clean mics looking for a little color. A very good amp for DI acoustic, drum overheads, lots of stuff. At its price point, I think the twinQ is often underestimated. This studio couldn't run without it. It sees at least as much duty as the Avalon. Hope that helps.-Richie
 
I do not currently own any really nice pre-amps. What does a threshold expander do?
 
I have a Focusrite TwinTrak unit but I am looking at replacing it with the Joemeek TwinQ. The Focusrite is clean, quiet and easy to use, but I am a bit bummed by the lack of 'tweakability' especially in the compression side of things.

I am hoping that the TwinQ preamps will be as quiet as the Focusrite, and the 'Iron' switch in the Joemeek will replicate the 'Air' switch in the Focusrite to some extent.
 
I have essentially owned both (I still have a Platinum Penta), and have gotten great results from both. The main thing you have to realize is that these two have good results for certain applications.

The TwinQ sounds very cool, very dare I say warm; but the main problem is that it colors the sound too much. It does work well for anything that you want a vintage feel on (I thought).

The Focusrite stuff is nice because the pre's are really clean, and I believe that makes it a more multi-dimensional piece of gear.

...just my two cents dangling in my pocket.
 
I tested both, bought the twintrak..Just my choice...the comp is very useful....I don't understand about the "lack of tweakability" comment??? a little goes a long way......the joe meek sounded....well, like the other joe meek stuff I have tried.

good luck
 
Just thought id leave my opinions about the new twin Q. I love the sound of the pres for the price. I Find the EQ very useable and musical. I dont like the compressor at all and never use it.

It really depends on what you want the strip for. If the compressor is an integral part of the channel strip you need, maybe this isnt for you. IMO.

Dont take this post the wrong way however... if i had the option to either buy my twin Q again or buy something else i'd definately buy it. Its a valuable piece of gear i use regularly... i just find the comp way too coloured... even when not incurring a GR.
 
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the comp is very useful....I don't understand about the "lack of tweakability" comment??? a little goes a long way...
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Hi DonGraham - This is true, and the ability to set up the unit fast for recording comes from the minimal options there are for setting up compressor settings and eq filtering. I guess I am looking for a little more control over the setup...trying to expand my own skills in using compressors and eqs to shape the sound a little prior to audio hitting the hard drive. Having separate controls for threshold, ratio, attack and release would be a bonus.

Having said that, I am now curious about Marlmanch's comment
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Just thought id leave my opinions about the new twin Q. I love the sound of the pres for the price. I Find the EQ very useable and musical. I dont like the compressor at all and never use it.
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Is this to do with the 'colouration' you mentioned later on? Not having ever used JoeMeek gear (this is the first time I have seen it in Melbourne) I am unfamiliar with the Joemeek 'sound'? I would have thought that colouration comes from eq more than compression (unless it is driven fairly hard).

I would like to know more about this before I commit to purchase.

Any help greatly appreciated!

Dags
 
Yo Dags! I owned an old twinQ and I now own a new twinQ. The "Joe Meek sound" referred to above came largely from selective distortion created by the optical compressor, and many people thought it was a pretty good vox box.
The new unit's compressor is a lot cleaner, like an RNC or similar. Judicious use of the compressor for limiting level can be very useful, but you don't use it as an effect like the old Joe Meek amps. My conclusion? The new unit doesn't have that Joe Meek sound, it's a whole different animal. I find the unit useful, but mostly for clean stuff. For what you want to do, learning to tweak sound going in (risky), the twinQ or Toft ATC-2 is a great learning tool. I'm using the twinQ for recording a burlesque revival, and a separate project of live Madrigals. It's not a bad pre for remote stereo recording, more expendable than the Avalon. There are, however, many other channel strips, Focusrite et al. Many people would spend a grand on a pair of Grace 101's. Consider what it is you want to record and then choose the tool. I use the twinQ a lot for voiceovers, radio plays. It isn't my best channel, but it's better than anything else I have- DMP-3, Digi002 built in, dare I say it? Behringer ADA8000. Some radio play require many channels. The twinQ is a workmanlike tool that has done what I have asked of it. It has rarely done anything great, and it has rarely sucked. Kinda like an SM57, if you think about it.
Best of luck with whateve preamp you choose.-Richie
 
Richard Monroe said:
The new unit's compressor is a lot cleaner, like an RNC or similar. Judicious use of the compressor for limiting level can be very useful, but you don't use it as an effect like the old Joe Meek amps. My conclusion? The new unit doesn't have that Joe Meek sound, it's a whole different animal. I find the unit useful, but mostly for clean stuff. For what you want to do, learning to tweak sound going in (risky), the twinQ or Toft ATC-2 is a great learning tool.

Ahhh - sounds like it will do the job admirably. I am mainly recording vocals and electric guitars, but also occasionally acoustic guitars (mid/side, hence the need for a stereo device) and sax (and possibly an oboe soon!) and would prefer to be able to add my own 'colour' to it if required. I mainly want to have a little more control over dynamics during tracking. The Twin Trak pro is good for clean signals, but as I said earlier, I would welcome the ability to experiment a little bit more with compression techniqies.

Thanks so much for your input!

Regards,
Dags
 
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