jazz kit bass drum

[guy]

I have to mic a jazz drumer kit (playing in the same room with all other musicians), I tend to mic the kit only with oh mics (and some tunes also snr when played with brushes).
but for one tune there is an obvious bass drum part so I want to print a bd track as well.
this bd is very special, it is very small and very long and close from both sides (cann't put mic inside the drum) it has a clear pitch which is quit high, a normall bd mic (like d12) might not work here.
which mic should I use? tell me about any model but here are the mics left (after miking all other instruments) for me: m88,sm57, md421, c414buls, beyer m500 (ribbon), beyer m201, km84i.
thanx
guy

 

[guy]

disapointment

I don't belive that NOONE has no opinion/expirience to help with this topic...
maybe I should stick to treads like: "what is the best mic that makes you look cool" that gets so many replys here ...
guy

 

[Track Rat]

A large diaphram condensor out in front of the kick about 2 feet out would capture the kick nicely. The 414 might be a good choice there.

 

[VOXVENDOR]

Re: disapointment

I don't belive that NOONE has no opinion/expirience to help with this topic...
maybe I should stick to treads like: "what is the best mic that makes you look cool" that gets so many replys here ...
guy

Patience I beg... It's been a slow weekend around the bbs.... Don't take our non-replying personally..

I want to back up Track Rat, and his large Diaphragm... Good Idea and I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest an Audio Technica 4033 to be exact....

You say the pitch is relatively high, so I think that one of them would work great...

Nice and close to the front skin, but not too close... probably 1-2 feet like Rat suggested.

In my opinion.

Joe

 

[guy]

thanx a lot!

 

[Harvey Gerst]

You'll get a lot of bleed from the other instruments in the room if you mic the drum as suggested above. You might consider making a short tunnel, using a packing blanket and another mic stand, to cut down on the bleed from the other instruments playing in the same room.

 

[VOXVENDOR]

Good idea Harvey.... Won't that affect the sound though?...

(just wondering for my own curiosity)

Joe

 

[Track Rat]

Bleed could definately be a problem but seeing that it's a jazz group, I'm making a bold assumption that they won't be playing at the levels a thrash metel band would be playing at. Depending on the room and the material, the bleed may even work for you.

 

[Harvey Gerst]

Good idea Harvey.... Won't that affect the sound though?...

(just wondering for my own curiosity)

Joe

It will affect it, but not much. You're basically just using the blanket as a gobo for a little more isolation.

 

[Michael Jones]

I don't think you'd want to put that ribbon mic out in front of a kick drum.

Not to sound elitest or anything, but I'd suspect a jazz trio (or group) to be a little more refined than your average punk-heavy metal-thrash band. Capturing them together, with a little bleed might be a good thing.

I don't know if you can get a hold of one, but an SM7 can work very well on kick. It's a dynamic, and has a relitively high SPL. I'd reach for that before putting one of my delicate LD condensors in front of the kick.

Just some thoughts.

 

[Track Rat]

I always have a large diaphram condensor out in front of a kick, even if I have something inside of it as well. In particular, a Groove Tubes AM-52 in cardiod. No problems there even with death metel bands.

 

[Michael Jones]

I always have a large diaphram condensor out in front of a kick, even if I have something inside of it as well. In particular, a Groove Tubes AM-52 in cardiod. No problems there even with death metel bands.

That's good to know!

 

[guy]

just an idea, but since this bd is more like a trange size tom maybe i can mic it from the footpedal side with let say the md421 and there for also save from the spill? did anyone try this before?
thanx
guy

 

[Track Rat]

Yes I have. The only problem is if your kick pedel is noisey, you'll pick it up too.

 

[Brent Casey]

How about a large diaphragm cardioid inside the kick, facing perpendicular to the beater?
Brent Casey

I always have a large diaphram condensor out in front of a kick, even if I have something inside of it as well. In particular, a Groove Tubes AM-52 in cardiod. No problems there even with death metel bands.

 

[guy]

thanx Brent Casey but that was the problam from the first place, this bd has skins from both sides and there is no way to put mic in.