It's Over Now.

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Just another tune, rough mix. Dynamics messed up with an L1 plugin. Lots of editing left to do, and a few other things. 96K did some weird stuff. Probably bass heavy, but let me know. Check it out, and thanks for any info.



 
Heya, Emeric...

3-2-1-Contact! (hehe, i've always associated that progression with that damn kids show, too much TV as a kid... there was some Morrissey song that followed that a long time ago, got a kick out of how similar (i think it was copied) that song was...)

1:03 to 1:24 feels in need of *something*, right now I get the feeling you want a introspective simple slow descending part to reinforce the original progression, but also to allow the thumping at 2:43... I don't think I've heard a song of yours that uses sampling, but if you can get some chick to say something over a phone (or phone plugin) reminescent of the song's idea (that's the idea I get from the song, anyway), maybe a progressively building reverb on her voice, that might eliminate the idea that you're "waiting" for that next verse...

2:43 is where the song gets "individual" for me. At the beginning, I keep hearing that one string melody, I'd probably balance that with some countermelody or another instrument, but you probably have that beginning set...

I like how your "curves" in the song aren't "WHOO-HOO LOOK WHAT I CAN DO!" Your music has always been very understated as to your talent, but in listening to the music, you know that this is by choice (you've got killer stuff, dude)...

@ 3:00 (and especially the little tidbit at 3:02, also 3:16) the lead guitar REALLY puts a smile on me face, THAT's how you know (from this song) that you've got it...

@ 4:00, a return to original, maybe try it backwards or something (for my tastes) or try some new counterpoint thingey...


Overall, the problem I think you're referring to (dynamics) is the way the guitar sounds "dry" at the beginning and ending "parts." I'm horrible at making the acoustic sound good, don't have any pointers. And also, the acoustic sounds good anyway, but I see a possibility for a "fuller" sound, maybe in mic placement, maybe in EQ, maybe in reverb/compression...

Overall, glad you put it up for download, cuz' i enjoyed hearing new stuff from you...
 
Nice song Emeric...(sorry can't help with mix) like it needs much (yeah right:)) your an awesome engineer man. If I hadn't been listening with CEP and looking at the wave, it would of really took me by surprise @1:50. I like the bass playing in this one a lot. The guitar chops were outstanding too, along with the back-up vox. Trying to be sincere here without blowing smoke up yer ass:D, but I did like the song!


David
 
oh yeah! this is a great tune. a few things...

the intro. I think I'd like to hear that as one acoustic, the stereo is nice, but if it was "smaller" i think it would make the part when the electrics come in so much more powerfull.

the break starting at 2:42, the cleaner sounding guitar needs a little more power. It almost seems a bit too compressed or something. I'd like to hear your playing dynamics more. Some very nice guitar tones, but sort of lack an edge if you know what I mean. That slight delay is sweet. Is this an amp or Pod? I'm thinking pod. needs to be a double miced vox AC 30 :D. That whole section just knocks me out though! good stuff.

I don't think it's to bass heavy. That pulsating bass line really gets me into it.

The "it over now" part reminds me of the flaming lips a bit. The backing vocals especially.

-jhe
 
Great Stuff again!

That intro had a nice acoustic Stones feel to it and the vocal parts that James HE was talking about have a Revolver Feel to them. My only suggestion would be to add a simple cello line to the very end.
I like that barrage of different sections each with its own feel. Like a meal at Bobo's in Lower Manhattan.
You New Yawkas should know what I'm talking about.

Oh- and the bottom end sounds crisp from end to end.
 
emeric,

the background vocals have a tightness that you usually only hear in pro mixes.

The guitar was good in the intro and at the end, but could have used a dab more room.

I would like to hear the finished version. Maybe you could back off a bit from 5k on the lead vocals. Just a tiny bit

peace
 
I moved the location of this to here, kind of a drag you can't edit messages anymore:

http://www.listeningroom.lycos.com/fan/bands/emeric999/Song_28287.html

Anyway.

Kelly: Thanks for detailed info. I think something in the verse may work as well (not sure about the telephone though!) Maybe some quiet keyboard, if I strip out some of the guitars at the start as James HE suggested.

David: Bass playing is not one of my favourite instruments, but the odd time I get it not too bad. Thanks for listening to it.

James HE:

'the intro. I think I'd like to hear that as one acoustic, the stereo ' - Agree 100%, gonna trim those down a bit.
It's the pod run into double miced AC30. Nah.. it's just the pod. Will probably redo the rhythms with a tele (friend lent me different one) and an amp.

Drstawl: Thanks! Possible some type of classical instrument at the end. Cello might work, don't have one though. Maybe a sample.

CyanJaguar: Yes, the guitars are kinda crowded at the start. The vocals are a bit harsh in some areas, it was not EQ'd at all - has the standard NT-1 characteristic. A bit of EQ may help it a bit at least. Thanks for checking it out.

I notice some weird artifacts with the cymbals, think I should stick to 128K.
 
Hey Emeric,

Another winner! Recording sounds great. Nice tune.

Doc's right celo would be cool at the end. Maybe find a good string synth keyboard, or maybe one hasn't been made yet.

You get a nice sound out of that Guild. Electric sounds good also. I think Pod's getting a bad rap lately, for no apparent reason. Maybe the grass is greener syndrome.

Your bass playing is very tasteful, and fits the song well.

BTW: Please stick with 96kbs, faster download appreciated!! Don't worry about them cymbals, we won't weigh them.
 
Mismatch between the two parts - tempo and feel. I really like the sound you get on the acoustic, really a lot, but that was it for me. When the band comes in, the whole thing translates itself to a wonderful place, and suddenly you're a contender in the pop stakes. Then you go all instrumental after the poppy backup vocals, and it takes another step up. I really like music that does that - it shifts, and gets more interesting.

The outro at the end suggested a melding of the two schizophrenic parts, kind of. But overall, the discrepancy was too symbolic for me, and not musical enough. If it was me, I'd do one of two things. One: lop off the front and back bits, and put some of the lost lyrics into the part that stays. Two: Match the intro tempo to the rest of the song, and do it just vocal and guitar, but electric guitar, really stripped down simple strum or arpeggio on the lower strings. Oh, one more thing - I'd tell me to go get stuffed with a giant pimento down at the olive factory, as well. :D

I can't comment on the sound - you're avoiding all the mistakes I'm making, and it just sounds somewhere in the good-to-great range to me. My suspicion is that you're getting really a whole lot out of the gear you're using, and the only way to boost it much more is to get better gear, or... have you considered getting any of your stuff mastered, just so you could compare to the sound you're getting now? More people should be hearing this song.
 
GT: thanks for listening through it. The end part I don't know, mabye cello, don't mind the dualing bass though either. I'll work something out. I like the POD for certain things, mainly lead. Prefer amps for rhythm.

Dobro:

Not sure what you mean by the mismatch, it's supposed to be that way, not duran duran, i like tempo change. If I kept the tempo the same from finish to start it would be too slow. If I used the tempo from the other part, it would be to fast. schizophrenic perhaps, but that's not the norm. The tempo part is calculated. The bpm for the start, mid-rock part, end part all connect.

Not lopping off anything... off to the olive factory. :)

No, no mastering being considered.

Thanks for listening to it!
 
The vocal performance on this one and the vocal recording on this one, in my opinion, is a step up from your previous songs...the song is killer like the rest....

Did you do anything different for the vocal on this one?
 
Emeric - "The bpm for the start, mid-rock part, end part all connect." Really? Okay, I believe you, but it doesn't *sound* like it. :D I work in an orchard.

Gidge - he put up another "rough" mix not so long ago, and the vocals were right up there as well; it's not just on this song. Musically though, I think this song *is* a step up - it's more exciting in at least a handful of ways from the stuff off the previous album. It's so satisfying watching his music grow into its potential - I'm hoping we're all around to hear it when he turns 30. I just wish he'd eat more olives. :D
 
Thanks Gidge, nothing really different, same Rode NT-1, Art MP. Different part of the room, heavy smoke, warmer day, don't know. Dobro, when I turn 30? I'll guess your joking, since I am 30... :)
 
(dobro laughs and pretends it had been a joke, and that he'd known all along...) Yeah, uh, right - and I also hope we're all here to see what you're up to when you're 32. :D
 
Another nice effort, a little less finished perhaps than some of the ones I've listened to in the past... wish I could offer some advice, I mean, that's what we're here for, no?

Looking forward to hearing it when you work it over a bit more.
 
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