It's not KICKING ASS enough!

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I have two songs that we did the reamping on over the weekend. Quality wise, things were great. From what I have read on here and many other places, you use less gain when recording distorted guitars than what you think you need. Since we had lots of doubled parts, I figured this was especially important because we don't want too much gain stacked on top of too much gain.

When listening one of the songs that night, the guitar sound was great. I was super excited about it. After listening the next day, I was kinda disappointed. It was a "heavy" guitar sound...but it didn't seem "hard rock" enough, if that makes sense. It's like there wasn't enough gain used. Am I going crazy?

On the second song, we recorded with more gain because the song had more of a Sevendust feel to it. There were plenty of doubled guitars...6 guitars to be exact. 4 Playing the regular part and 2 playing a higher part. When we got the guitars tracked and let it rip, it was heavy, but the guitars didn't seem "big enough" or "in your face" enough.

So...on these two songs...what should I do?

Here's some of the amps we used:

Mesa Dual Rectifier
Marshall JCM 800
Peavey JSX
Soldano Hot Rod 50
Twist Custom 50W All-Tube Head
Twist Custom 50W All-Tube Rack Head

The mics:

Audix i5
Shure SM7
Senn. e609s
Cascade FHII

We used the i5 and the SM7 on the rhythm tracks because that mic combo sounded best. Lead guitar work got the i5 and the FHII because it rocked on that combo...lead guitars sounded good. No worries there.

The pres:

RME FF800 Pres
Great River NV - used on the FHII
 
I disagree.

<yoda voice> That is why you fail! </yoda voice>

How on earth can you possibly disagree? You have an audio problem that we're supposed to diagnose through text, with absolutely no idea what the problem you're describing sounds like.

Analogy: "I baked a cake using ingredients A, B, and C, but it doesn't taste the way I want it to. What did I do wrong?" See what I'm saying?
 
<yoda voice> That is why you fail! </yoda voice>

How on earth can you possibly disagree? You have an audio problem that we're supposed to diagnose through text, with absolutely no idea what the problem you're describing sounds like.

Analogy: "I baked a cake using ingredients A, B, and C, but it doesn't taste the way I want it to. What did I do wrong?" See what I'm saying?
I wasn't being serious. I guess I should have put a smiley or something. I'm at my crap-tastic day job right now and don't have access to my studio.

That being said, suggestions or theories for discussion purposes are more than welcome.
 
Try recording one more guitar track with a stupidly overdriven tone, loads of gain and not too many mids, then mix that in central and at low volume, you'll get a much heavier sound that way, and the definition will come from the other guitar tracks you already have.
 
+1 for the distortion.

You could also make a submix bus, route all your guits and use a compressor.
Maybe THIS helps you.

Don't you have clip we can listen to?
 
For a "bigger sound," try room mics. That's typically what we are missing in a big heavy rock sound. If you REALLY want "in your face," then you need compression, and lots of it. I would give up every plugin in my septup, in exchange for good compression and EQ.

~Shawn
 
Just compress the guitar. I bet every newer hard rock tune out there has compressed distorted guitars, and then the overall mix is probably compressed as well. I'm not saying I would crunch anything "I" recorded, but that seems to be the sound you're after.
 
Just compress the guitar. I bet every newer hard rock tune out there has compressed distorted guitars, and then the overall mix is probably compressed as well. I'm not saying I would crunch anything "I" recorded, but that seems to be the sound you're after.
I'll try it but it's my last resort. It's already compressed sounding enough coming out of the amp. But I'll give it a whirl. It might make it really slam.
 
I'll try it but it's my last resort. It's already compressed sounding enough coming out of the amp. But I'll give it a whirl. It might make it really slam.

I'd almost guarantee it. Let us know how it comes out.

~Shawn
 
You know, or take 20 min. and post something... haha
Like I was yesterday, I'm at work today. Too busy to do anything last night. I'm not being impatient about it and neither should you. :D
 
Do it now or I'll take my advice back. Go home and try it.
 
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