It worked once, let me try this again

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Nice sound T.R.-The opening drums sound great-I was gonna suggest another guitar over the first verse-but now i see where youre going with the arrangement....That doubled voice that happens in the chorus hurts a bit. The middle of the mix seems a little busy during the chorus-maybe some panning of the guitars during that part??? I like the bridge-cool change for the song. Sounds like you've done your job well-all the instruments are audible and have nice tones-And the vocals sound and layering is real nice as well. Good work.
 
great acoustic at the beginning.......at kind of a small stereo field used, i might try using just a little more, but that's just subjective

......i agree the drums sound pretty good.......vocals sound great too..........nice job
 
I would re-do the drums and ask the drummer to hit the snare ONCE during each bar (like in the 1st verse). The mix sounds very good. Maybe do a little more layering of the guitars during the chorus parts to give it a little more OOOMPH, or darker sound when the chorus kicks in.
I sent you a message in NWR asking you if you ever did any more work on the song "Down" that you had posted a while back. I was going through my MP3's and found it in there. Also wondering if you have any more songs to share with us? I would pay REAL MONEY to buy a CD of your stuff if it were available. NO, I AM NOT A GROUPIE! hehehe, Take care, Charva (Dave)


www.geocities.com/charvster :cool:
 
sounds like you enjoy doing drums the most;)

they might be a tad too roomy sounding...maybe.

the mix needs some "spread" to it. Kinda a 'wide' mono mix, or a skinny stereo mix...

The drums sound like they are off to a good start (sonically), the the rest sounds all overdubbed and has nowhere near the same ambience, which is kinda weird, to a degree.

the doubled (tripled?) vocals need to be separated. It comes off like a chorus, rather than a thickening. think about the same kinda verb on the vocals that are on the drums...

someones gtr is buzzing in the fade note
 
pretty nice recording.. the song is cool too.. the drums sound good, but not as good as the rest of the stuff.. I guess it's like mixmkr said, a bit too roomy sounding compared to the rest of the music.. Keep in mind I'm using a much higher standard with you.. :D It's a very good recording overall though.. The drums could sound better.. Nice vocal sound, good acoustic sound, electrics sound good.. I likes it..
 
Speaking as a drunkard who has spent his fair share of time on the floors of various barrooms, I like this. If you could...just at the very beginning, throw some lows into that kick so it wouldn't sound so "live." Now, if the beginning part is just what you're using as a click, then screw it.

Crap man, I really do try when I listen to your stuff, but I think you've got really nice seperation here...not in a "stereo panned fake" kind of seperation...but in a "the instruments can all be heard seperately" kind of way.

I'll leave it to somebody else to help you...I'll just stand by and cheer you on!
 
I thank you folks. Actually, I do like doing drums as they're the hardest thing to get right. This guy has very definate ideas on the way he wants things layered, not always what I'd do. We did a CD together once and bounced heads many times over production issues. He likes less, I like more. This was the first wack at it after editing out some clams and such on one of the tunes he's doing. Too much room on the drums, eh?
 
fuck iwish my drums COULD sound like this......i think they sound great!!!
jeez....i mean what the fuck is wrong with this?!?!?!? i think it sounds pretty damn good?...i suck at this shit so my opinon isnt really worth a whole lot on this ....lol....man i wish i could tell you to "roll off blah blah decibels"...or.."pan the blah blah over hear"...but shit i like this as it is......i even really like the song...i know its not yours but tell the guy playing i liked it..reminds of "alice in chains"...with more melody and less drugs......



cool.
jamal

*edited...as i suck at typing as well...:D
 
Hey Track,
Great stuff Track. Very clean recording. I'm gonna echo what mixmkr said re: the roomy drums. They seem to wanna suck up alot of space. Otherwise, sounds great.





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Good...the Bass Ale I got going is appropriate.

More stereo spread. Other than that, I think it sounds pretty damn good. Nice punch. Snare is really busy, but that's not your fault.
 
I'm thinking a great piccolo snare would give the drums a diffrent mood...but hey i just love piccolo snare sounds:) . Great guy on the vox, he's got some serious talent. Sorry I couldn't be of any help, but i like your work and will continue to listen.
 
I'm gonna start by saying I don't have a clue as to how to produce this kind of stuff. So after that disclaimer, here goes.

I like the sound of the drums personally--I dig the room thing. Wish I could achieve this kind of thing, but it ain't happening here at my place! However, some things seem to be in different "planes" than the drums. Don't know if thats good or not.

I'd triple track that acoustic guitar and make it more of a wash in the intro--back in the spatial plane some maybe--a la Traveling Wilburys. I would probably pan those electrics more left and right, which would give the bass, kick and vocals more breathing room in the center.

Like I said, I don't know how to mix or produce this kind of stuff. I hear a lot of records that seem bone dry and up in your face. Maybe that would be a thing to try here. I'd like to hear the whole song break back down to the intro dynamics at some point, for a big color change after the big guitars have been at it a while. These are basically my idiotic ideas so feel free to ignore them.

I think you have a good start. Sound like you tracked everything real well, especially the bass and drums. And, yeah--I understand that with guitars you can't do much when somebody gives you their "sound". You capture what's given. I think you've done your job well.

I will be curious to see how the final mix ends up. Again, if my comments are ignorant, its because I freely admit that I am clueless about how to mix this kind of music. 1000 pardons. I can tell you know how to use your stuff.
 
good song, great voice, great lyrics! the drums dont sound like they have too much reverb! the other instruments need more! too dry! You should try to blend these tracks and make them sound like they belong to each other! try using the same reverb
settings to give a washy feel and let the lyric shine! just some suggestions here. sounds like you have a very clean recording
here that you could do any thing you would feel compelled to
do with! btw no flame war intended, but i cant compare this to alice in chains! nice feel going on though! later tim,
 
yeah...

Everything's in the middle :) Makes it seem more important to get separation by varying the amount of reverb on each element... imso (in my STUPID opinion ;))

On monitors...

This has a raw, but nicely raw feel to it... Everything is tracked very well. Could you maybe move the rhythm guits away from the snare drum w/panning? Either that, or dry out the snare (but I suspect it was tracked with natural room reflections... so that's probably out :rolleyes: :D)

There's a little lead guitar line hiding underneath the rhythm at times; too bad the tones are nearly identical... they should each have an identity (opinion)

For the purely subjective: I'd like a more up-front, snappy-sounding snare drum to vary the depth back-to-front better... but this style of production you've done has been done and done well before... a little more briteness from the cymbals wouldn't hurt my feelings either... (all opinion)

On computer speakers...

The drums sound super-clean, and very punchy... must be an excellent compressor or compressor plug-in you've used there (along with superior tracking)...

The style of production is very different, if you're going for that dry, immediate sound ... where the band is playing in a small space... You could go just about any direction with this, IMO... but it could really work with just a tad bit more separation...

Nice work. Good song, BTW... you pick good stuff to produce :)


Chad
 
track rat, this sounds really nice. I liked the song alot too.

The only nitpick is that it sounds mono and the vocal sounds like it was either recorded with a cheap condenser or eqd with a cheap eq(boosting the high mids and highs)
 
cool tune. very live sounding drums. The cymbals sounded great. I thought the kick could have come up a bit and had a bit more "thud" to it. I also would have liked to hear a bit more low end growl from the bass to drive the song. The guitars sounded great. I loved the sound on the solo. Real or emulated? The vocals sounded great when they weren't doubled. But to me, when they were doubled, it didn't match the feel of the rest of the mix. Personal preference though.
 
Thanks everyone. I think everyone has had a valid observation. I've been listening in the truck and I'm backing down on the ambience. I'm going to have to think about what to do with the guitar tracks. They're real by the way. Ampeg amp (don't know the model off the top off my head) into a closed back cab with two 12"s mic'd with a 4033. I'm not liking the vocal double either. It seemed like a good diea at the time. Time for the second wack at it. I thank you commrades.
 
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