is this true

[jugalo180]

i met this guy that mixes and he told me that just simple doubling on any track ca n thicken it, i asked if it had to be delayed or altered in any way and he said no, just simply doubled. i said wouldn't that just increase the volume and he said no, it will also be fuller. is this true or is he fuller @!#$?

 

[jrosenstein]

funny you should ask ....

https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?postid=632089

 

[Slackmaster2K]

Guys that mixes are a dime a dozen Either you misheard him, he's fooling himself, or he's had a lot of experience on a system with a poor sense of timing.

Slackmaster 2000

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

i met this guy that mixes and he told me that just simple doubling on any track ca n thicken it, i asked if it had to be delayed or altered in any way and he said no, just simply doubled. i said wouldn't that just increase the volume and he said no, it will also be fuller. is this true or is he fuller @!#$?

He's full of @!#$...

Doubling a track without any delay or other effects will do NOTHING except make the track louder...

 

[Son of Mixerman]

Re: Re: is this true

He's full of @!#$...

Doubling a track without any delay or other effects will do NOTHING except make the track louder...

Im gonna say BS on this one Bruce only because your assuming a digitally copied duplicate or a "Y" cable. In many cases doubling up by recording the same part twice does thicken it up. In the rare cases where a musician can double track so accurately that he causes phasing problems it would be both true and false. Ive heard phasing and volume increases as the timing variances playback over the track.
The magic in double tracking come from the timing inconsistancie and the phase relationship between the 2 tracks. In some cases the engineer will track in sets of 3 where one track has no eq and the other two are radically eq'd. Then they do it again. Amazingly thick when you have 6 tracks of guitars, 6 different eq's and 6 different "timings" all bussed into a L-R... Some people are lazy and electronically double, which has to have a delay or you will get a loud mono signal or sever phase cancellation. Just thought it needed clarifying that double tracking, and electronic doubles are different beasts.

SoMm

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

Of course I meant "duplicating".... that's exactly what he was talking about!

AS you point out, doubling a part (NOT DUPLICATING) can be VERY beneficial!

 

[jugalo180]

man

i thought something wasn't right about that. the math just didn't add up. thanks for saving me a lot of wasted time everyone.

 

[jugalo180]

my mistake

i appologize for not choosing the correct word. the guy did tell me to just duplicate the track.

 

[littledog]

I want my stereo mixes to sound thicker and fuller. I'm thinking of copying them to two more tracks, and then playing back all four tracks at the same time. For really slamming mixes, I'll use eight or sixteen.

And I don't want anyone else stealing my technique!!!!

 

[camn]

damnit, man! I've been doing that for years!

xo

 

[Son of Mixerman]

I want my stereo mixes to sound thicker and fuller. I'm thinking of copying them to two more tracks, and then playing back all four tracks at the same time. For really slamming mixes, I'll use eight or sixteen.

And I don't want anyone else stealing my technique!!!!

I don't think its going to be a problem in this case! LOL

Its funny isn't it. How 2 techniques with the same name can send people off in the wrong direction for years. I wonder how many guitarists have beed told to redo the take not realizing it was for double track and not because they screwed up.
I would like to see a class A preamp with a delay sweep on it for single take elctronic doubles. The Rockman Stereo Chorus Unit it a great stereo splitter for casio keyboard with mono outputs, but don't tell my wife I have her keyboard

I hate working saturdays on OT! But this BBS makes it tolerable

SoMm

 

[knightfly]

Sometimes, even doing it the RIGHT way won't get the results you want - A band I started in '81 was in the studio recording a single, and our guitarist (monster player) recorded one of the leads with a 335 and a musicman 4-10, onto an Ampex 24 track/MCI board - the track was a little thin, so the engineer asked him to play it again onto another track - he ended up TRIPLING the track before we could hear any fattening, and then it was just a slight phasing where he bent a couple of notes VERY slightly different...

If I could play that consistently, I'd prob'ly change my name to DiMeola... Steve

 

[bleyrad]

whenever i've tried to use doubling (two takes) on lead vocals, it just turns into mushy, weird phase problems. the pitch seems perfectly good, but the phasing makes it awful. i can't understand how people use this technique successfully - i've never gotten it to work.