Is it safe to just cover fiberglass with fabric?

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Just wondering if anyone has any input on this as i am curious if I need to put anything over the glass than fabric for it to be safe?

Does it put off any fibers into the air?
I have heard of fiberglass being a cancer causing agent when breathed in and dont want to be endangering myself or my wife...............

Any input on this would be great.

-Blaze
 
blazingstrings said:
Just wondering if anyone has any input on this as i am curious if I need to put anything over the glass than fabric for it to be safe?
I'm not speaking on behalf of the Surgeon General or anything, but I wouldn't even consider working in a room with uncovered rigid fiberglass on the walls. All my panels are covered with fabric, and I'm not even sure that's really a safe solution considering the size of glass fibers. Still, it's better than nothing. Without something to hold them down, glass fibers can easily be pulled off the panel and go airborne. Then you're breathing the little buggers.

Don't do it, man. Practice safe recording. Put condoms on your panels.
 
There is not substantial evidence that fiberglass causes cancer. At any rate, fabric covered panels don't shed fibers unless you bump into them rather hard. Fabric covered fiberglass is a standard technique that has been installed in tens of thousands of commercial environments.
 
Be Loveless said:
What about Rockwool?
It is still carcinogenic, it doesn't shed through fabric though. I have a rockwool cloud thats wrapped in fabric that I move and handle all of the time and I've never noticed and dust coming off it or around it on the floor.
 
Sorry, Blaze. I misunderstood your question. I thought you were asking if it would be safe to leave your panels completely uncovered. I see now that you were asking if it's safe to cover them only with fabric, and I think it's reasonably safe to do so provided no one's moving them around much or bumping up against them. When I vacuum mine (which I don't do often enough), I take them out of the room to protect my gear, and I wear a dust mask to protect my lungs.

By the way, whether glass fibers cause cancer or not isn't the issue. You don't want glass in your lungs, period. We all know what it can do to your skin, so I don't even want to think about what it would do to the lining of a lung.
 
Thanks for the replys guys.

The bigest reason I ask is because I use to work with raw fiber glass and reson when I use to work for a Museum company making displays and kind of wonder since I was always sick after working with it (flu like stuff).

I assumed that as long as I wasnt body slamming my friends into it I would have any air born stuff.......


By the way if your ever in Little Rock Ark or Jackson MS go to there natural history museums we did some artifacts and displays of trees.

-Blaze
 
if you are workign with raw fiberglass and resin you should absolutely be using a filtered breathing mask. And not some cheap one either.
 
Innovations said:
if you are workign with raw fiberglass and resin you should absolutely be using a filtered breathing mask. And not some cheap one either.

Innovations is correct - 100% - but that only is because of what the resin and hardener will do to you.

Fiberglass is not a carcinogen......... proven fact.

Rockwool is not a carcinogen.......... proven fact.

Breathing in the dust isn't a bright thing to do - neither is rubbing it into your skin (itches like crazy) - so dress right and wear a dust mask (properly fitted) - cover it with fabric and you'll be fine.

Sincerely,

Rod
 
Rod man I do know that your the pro, but everytime I come across mineral wool or the like, I read stuff like this:
Precautions need to be made when handling a fibre product as it can be absorbed into the body by inhalation. It can also irritate the eyes, skin and respiratory tract. Prolonged exposure could lead to long term effects and it is considered a possible carcinogen to humans. This effect may depend upon the fibre diameter and length, chemical composition and persistence within the body. An eye is an organ that detects light. ... Model of the layers of human skin In zootomy and dermatology, skin is an organ of the integumentary system; which is composed of a layer of tissues that protect underlying muscles and organs. ... In humans the respiratory tract is the part of the anatomy that has to do with the process of respiration or breathing. ... In pathology, a carcinogen is any substance or agent that promotes cancer. ...
How sure are you that its proven? I'm not trying to argue, I'm just reading alot of conflicting data and its a pretty important subject. :confused:
 
Yeah, I learned quick that I need the mask or resperator.
My boss never wore one! He worked with tons of chemicals and things... never wore a mask ever....

I dont work with resin or raw fiberglass any more along with 100% silicone products or any other bad crap......

Thansk for the help and info.

-Blaze
 
VSpaceBoy said:
Rod man I do know that your the pro, but everytime I come across mineral wool or the like, I read stuff like this:

How sure are you that its proven? I'm not trying to argue, I'm just reading alot of conflicting data and its a pretty important subject. :confused:

Spaceboy,

The fact that morons post things claiming to know "the truth" doesn't make it true.

When I post something (of this nature) I can back it up.

Here you go - I have posted these as stickies at the RO site:

Mineral wools are not a health risk....... so take neces{sary precautions to avoid irritation and the like - but you don't have to worry about long term exposure issues........

read it for yourself folks:

http://www-cie.iarc.fr/htdocs/announcements/vol81.htm

and

Folks,

People have heard all kinds of stories about fiberglass and it's hazzards. It has been stated:

"I mean that cutting fiberglass can be a bit of a health hazard because the fibers, which are a known carcinogen, are released into the air and can be inhaled."

OK,

There have been more than a few questions/statements regarding health issue relating to fiberglass in the past few weeks - and tis time to maybe put the "myths" to rest.

It was reported in the late 80's early 90's about the possibility of fiberglass being a possible carcinogen - and many claims from various sources since then that it actually is.

However the following comes directly from the American Lung Association:

Direct contact with fiberglass materials or exposure to airborne fiberglass dust may irritate the skin, eyes, nose and throat. Fiberglass can cause itching due to mechanical irritation from the fibers. This is not an allergic reaction to the material. Breathing fibers may irritate the airways resulting in coughing and a scratchy throat. Some people are sensitive to the fibers, while others are not. Fiberglass insulation packages display cancer warning labels. These labels are required by the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) based on determinations made by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) and the National Toxicology Program (NTP).

1994- NTP listed fiberglass as "reasonably anticipated to be a human carcinogen" based on animal data.

1998- The American Conference of Govern- mental Industrial Hygienists reviewed the available literature and concluded glass wool to be "carcinogenic in experimental animals at a relatively high dose, by route(s) of administra- tion, at site(s), of histologic type(s) or by mechanism(s) that are not considered relevant to worker exposures".

1999- OSHA and the manufacturers volunta- rily agreed on ways to control workplace exposures to avoid irritation. As a result, OSHA has stated that it does not intend to regulate exposure to fiberglass insulation. The voluntary agreement, known as the Health & Safety Partnership Program includes a recom- mended exposure level of 1.0 fiber per cubic centimeter (f/cc) based on an 8-hour workday and provides comprehensive work practices.

2000- The National Academy of Sciences (NAS) reported that epidemiological studies of glass fiber manufacturing workers indicate "glass fibers do not appear to increase the risk of respiratory system cancer". The NAS supported the exposure limit of 1.0 f/cc that has been the industry recommendation since the early 1990s.

2001- The IARC working group revised their previous classification of glass wool being a possible carcinogen. It is currently considered not classifiable as a human carcinogen. Studies done in the past 15 years since the previous report was released, do not provide enough evidence to link this material to any cancer risk.



Here is the link if you wish to check it out yourself:

http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=35439

In addition i would point out that the American Cancer Society does not even take the time to reference fiberglass.

Protecting both your body and lungs from this product - that makes sense - but the claim that the product is a known carcinogen is not recognized by any government agency of any country that i know.

The only claims I know that support the cancer myth are made by fringe groups not recognized by any govt or medical agencies that i am aware of. Apparently without any hard scientific backup to support the claims.

Be safe - be smart - but don't be afraid.........


Hopefully this sheds some light on the reality of the issue.

Sincerely,

Rod
 
VSpaceBoy said:
*laid it to bed*
Probably not. In a couple of weeks it'll be like this thread never existed.

By the way, anybody know where I can get some rigid fiberglass?
 
Thats why im still a little sceptical on installing my bass traps etc.

Kinda freaked out about this whole fiberglass thing...

I too used to work with fiberglass and its not a pretty thing...

I mean, if you dont bump into it or irritate it -> I WILL STILL HAVE THAT CONCERN

I will be in the room a lotttt and its somewhat of a risk...I dont even want to breathe a little bit of it...


Seriously tho, health is number one and maybe I should consider something even safer...even if itll take some time to collect the money...

Well see...
 
You have no worries, my ENTIRE ceiling is rigid rockwool covered in cloth and I have never seen any fibres ar dust around.

Also, as far as irratation goes, rockwool is far less irratating than fiberglass, i installed it all bare handed with no itchyness, a little on the arms for an hour or so after like 7 hours of handling, but still nothing close to fiberglass.

Lastly, c'mon people, use a little common sense, every studio has sound treatments involving this stuff, do you really think that they wouldn't have noticed health risks by now.

Cheers
 
Mr Music said:
Thats why im still a little sceptical on installing my bass traps etc.

Kinda freaked out about this whole fiberglass thing...

What is why? You say "That is why......................."

Freaked out because it's been proven that it isn't a carcinogen? What is it that is still freaking you out?

Sincerely,

Rod
 
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