Is hardware dead?

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Is hardware dead

  • Yes, sfotware will take over

    Votes: 3 10.3%
  • No, software will alwasy be an adjunct to hardware

    Votes: 9 31.0%
  • No but hardware will become very specialized and mostly support software

    Votes: 15 51.7%
  • No, software will someday fade a bit and hardware is here to stay

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Total voters
    29
yeah...it will die out with Studers 800 series (well, I guess they quit making those too)

let me rephrase that...NO...at least not in the near future.
 
There will always be mics and preamps atleast for vocals:P

In a few years I can see mics with built in preamps and just a digital output not just in the studio but on stage aswell. Everything will just be something like a firewire cable plugged into a hub with a single digital cable running back to the console.

User interfaces is where the most work has to be done before we get there. Digital consoles and slow and clumbersom to use right now.

The first thing thats needed is a faster and cheeper replacement for the motorized fader, same goes for regualer pots. The other thing we need is bigger more intergrated flat panel displays, something like start trek but with some sort of feel to it, taping on glass sucks :P

Basicly the console should be one big LCD with physical faders and knobs sticking out of it. Imagin winamp like skins for your console. :) The reason for one big LCD is so that you have lots of info right in your face, no digging around in menus trying to find stuff in a rush. First of all I want to see meters, current eq settings, effects with their settings, waveform or rta(switchable), for every channel.

The other thing is how the mixer is layed out, digital mixers shouldn't try to mimic analog consoles they should be layed out like a digtial console. I think M-audio is on the right track with there new midi control surface but that has no feel to it.

One thing that might work would be the scroll wheels on wheel mouse. It might make a nice fader but I think it would be more usefull at the bottem of the mixer that would be assigned to scroll the faders through the channels and stuff. For example if I wanted to get my master section on the mixer I would just give the wheel a spin all the way right, or to get channels 1-8 all the way left.

The same thing could be used on the channel strip eq's, have them on each side so I can scroll through the freq's, Q and bands with one hand and tweak the knob with the other.

Everything also needs to become alot more realtime, I think mulitprocessor maybe the only way todo it, mixers are going to have to have alot of small processors and DSP's. Maybe even to the point of a processor per channel.
 
I wouldn't go so far as to say that computer-based signal processing is a fad, but I do think that "digital convergence" has natural limits, and that the same reaction to digital that has re-introduced tubes and vinyl to a new generation of musicians and listeners will insure that outboard professional audio hardware will continue to have a place and to rise in value, as it has for the past decade. Consider the number of outstanding microphone preamps and combination processors that are available today, priced in the $1,000 to $3,500 range. How does that number compare even to ten or fifteen years ago?

Today, high-end playback systems (the things that take digital recordings and turn them back into analog sounds) are at least five times as costly as ten years ago. In 1990, a pair of speakers that cost $4,000 were considered by many to be extravagant. Today, that's about the median range for high-end speakers, and there are speaker systems trading hands for up to $225,000. These are home systems, mind you, not commercial installations. People with money apparently are willing to pay a great deal to make their music sound "real."

Real musical instruments (acoustic, "natural" instruments) have also risen in value, just as live performances continue to command ever-higher ticket prices. Not all of this is attributable to inflation. All of these phenomena are suggestive of a love of music and music-making that will never be satisfied with "samples" and "effects," not that there won't be a place for them.

I think the most legitimate promise of digital will take the form not of processing and sound creation but of a breakthrough in resolution; ironically, those who have the capability at this time of recording with bit-depths of 24 or more and sampling rates of 192kHz claim that they are beginning to achieve a "naturalness" that approaches high-quality two-inch analog tape recordings.

While no mass consumer playback system currently offers music in 24/192 formats, when such a level hits the street at an everyman price, I predict that the sound we have come to accept from our compact discs, cassette tapes, minidiscs and DATs will sound as archaic and artificial to us as an early 1950s 78-rpm hi-fi or a wax-cylinder Edison recording sounds to us today. We'll simply wonder how *anyone* could have ever thought they sounded realistic.

If you doubt this, go back and listen to recordings from the mid 1970s to the early 1980s. Are your ears fooled into thinking there is a real chorus backing up the singer? That those "trumpets" or "drums" were actual instruments being played by human beings in a hall or recording studio? I don't think so. At best, we enjoy them because their artificiality expressed something about the sense of alienation we felt in other areas of our lives.

We are complex creatures of flesh and blood and bone, all of which affect how we create and hear sounds, especially music. There is much we can (or soon will be able to) do in the digital domain to bring a more natural sound to recordings. But outboard components -- microphones, hardware preamps and processors -- like musical instruments played by real people, will likely become even more prized as recording becomes more computer-based.

What, then, is the key point of convergence? Where should the emerging digital recordist put the bulk of his investment in the new technology?

I think the Rosetta stone of the next level of quality in sound reproduction -- the future collector's item from the age of the digital revolution -- will be the A/D converter. Computers will come and go (mostly go), canned effects will quickly become outdated, virtual tracks and DSP tricks will expand exponentially ad nauseum -- but that most precious and elusive quality of musicality will be affected most by your choice of analog-to-digital converter.

Hardware's here to stay. At least that's my opinon today. :-)

With kind regards,

Mark H.
 
There is no point of 24/196 untill they starting selling better speakers to consumers and putting the in cars and stuff.

You go to places like walmart where most consumers buy their steroes and there isn't a speaker on the shelf that sounds good or remotely flat. They all seem to feature bass boost and crazy cabinet designs. I think the manufactors need to design a better cheep speaker first that consumers will find cool enough to buy and sound as good as a studio montior.

I can see 32/96 being more usefull than 24/196, wouldn't it be nice to beable to record without having to worry about the levels at all, so much headroom you could go from recording a wisper to a jet taking off without touching the gain.
 
aren't we forgetting something?

if hardware is dead, then so is software...

if there is no hardware, then there is nothing for the software to run or to run on and therefore no point in having useless software sitting in a box.
 
I'll offer an analogy:
When I was shopping for a Grand Piano, some people told me, "A Grand piano is 300 year old technology, why would you want one of those? Get a digital piano, it sounds just as good as a Grand, never needs tunning, and allows you so much more flexibility."
Well, only 2 of those 3 are right. It's true a digital piano never needs tunning, and offers flexibility, but, NOTHING, sounds like a grand piano, except a grand piano. So, eventually, I opted for both. I have a Grand, and I also have a couple of digitals. There are some tasks that the digitals perform better, and some tasks the grand performs better. I think you'll see the future of recording going down this same path, no one will ever be completely digital, or completely analogue. You'll see a balance, or a happy medium of both, a morph of digital gear coupled with analogue gear for many years to come.
 
You go to places like walmart where most consumers buy
their steroes and there isn't a speaker on the shelf that sounds good or remotely flat. They all seem to feature bass boost and crazy cabinet designs. I think the manufactors need to design a better cheep speaker first that consumers will find cool enough to buy and sound as good as a studio montior.

The problem is,that most average consumers wouldn't know really good sound if it hit them upside the head.They don't want flat response,they want hyped up bass and artificial treble,and don't forget the funky looking flashing lights running around the front panel of that $200.00 walmart stereo that makes it look "high tech" ,and 9 out of 10 couldn't tell a 16 bit recording from a 24 bit recording if their life depended on it.I bought one of those little aiwa shelf systems that plays cdrw discs so when I finish a mix I can see how it holds together when "Joe Consumer" finishes fucking it up with the "T-Bass" function turned all the way up and his little preset eq set to "Hiphop" or something ridiculous.

The manufacturers feed the market,and for now,and probably for some time into the future,the majority of the market will be perfectly happy with 16 bit cd's and cheap sounding bass boost,as long as it has a 5 cd random shuffle changer and a remote....................
 
actually, seriously... What is dead is SOFTWARE. Because why? Ill tell you

theres no money in it, really. There HAS been, right now, while its new and shit... but soon enough, there are gonna be a couple progs that do whatever... and so much pirating.. that no decent brain will get involved in software development.. .cuz you cant sell it. So all the smart people will be making standalone garbage with a 2-year life expectancy that you can sell for $225 a peice, because thats money for them.
Imean, look at roland! they make so much cash selling the biggest peices of garbage to kids... and they always short the kid a KEY feature.. so they can make the money AGAIN on the new edition! Then the thing breaks down in a couple years, and the kid buys the latest machine.. hoping to to get a new sound. Then, when THAT POS breaks, he buys some NEW! pile of crap that promises a "retro" soundbank that emulates the tone of the FIRST hunk of junk he bought!

effective biz plan!

xoxo
 
Garak - I agee with you and not. I think the idea of having "A mic with a preamp and a digital output" is not going to fair well, EVER. the bottom line for hardware is that professionals want options. No one would want to buy a U87, with a Neve preamp and an A/D converter built in. They'd rather have a U87, running to a Neve preamp they could use with ANYTHING, and THEIR A/D converter. The only mic/pre/a/d you will see will be cheap - and no one will want it. Real gear is going to be separated...you can see that in playback as well.

In terms of hardware being dead - it isn't. Stuff like compression etc. is probably the best of what plugins have to offer..and it is good...but, not what you always want. Thats why people buy Avalon tube compressors....or RNCs. etc. Hardware is an essential element.
 
Its like Comparing shopping physically downtown to online,sure online purchase is convenient but some people still like to 'touch' and 'feel' ,thats the way its got to be.
 
In regards to Mike H's comments.

I don't think that in 5-10 years we will listen to 90s recordings as we listen to 60's-70s recordings today. Not in the slightest.

Even the most critical of us know that there is a MUCH GREATER difference (probably 20 times) between "Meet the Beatles", and "The Gin Blossoms", than there is between a good 16/44 recording and a 24/96 or 32/192..whatever you want to say. Fact is that 16/44 will always sound pretty damn good to us. It's clean...it has the dynamic range...it's there. getting into 192 is when people will start saying "man..listen to that decay" or "the transients are incredible!", etc. Not saying they are wrong...just that it will be nowhere near listening to a 60's record today. I think you'd agree with that.

Your other comment was a bit off the mark I think. When you were talking about the "real chorus", and the "horn sounds" or whatever - I think you are right....we might look back and say "haha..what were they thinking" - we do that with the 80s now. Listening to all of those songs with the Casio Keyboard effects and what not. However...it isn't becuase of sound quality.

The laughable (now) recordings of the 80s are funny becuase it sounds like they WANTED it to sound. They could have gotten real instruments...but, they thought the synth tech was neat. So, it'll be the same as when we look back at a techno recording from 2004...even if it is 32/192, we might say "haha...why would they use those synths for that..". But this has nothing to do with the recording quality.

Thats my only point...that, I think in 30 years, when you pull up a 16/44.1 cd on a top of the line stereo system...you can have a very good listening experience (esp. 20/44.1). It's not going to be like when you pull up the Beatles today...it's classic...but dated.

I like this thread - Digital and Analog mixture...is the way to go for certain. I'd love to get my hands on a 2" reel.

-Wes
 
Vote the third one.

Look at |HD. Racks and racks of hardware to controll it. Nothing more needed(or able to afford).
 
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