DJ'FINGAZ
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Just curious
M
mstudio1224@aol.com
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It depends...
It depends....
Puffy -- not a musician, but can orchestrate what it is he hears to other people of what a hit is to be
Indie Arie - musician, but needs a producer to orchestrate & mix parts of the song to bring her existing greatness to greater heights
So think of the possiblity if the PRODUCER was a MUSICIAN ala:
PRINCE, BABYFACE, BRIAN McKNIGHT, D'ANGELO,PATRICE RUSHEN, TINA MARIE, (ALICIA KEYS to a degree) etc...
my vision is the producer SHOULD be a musician, (that's my view)
REASON: it helps to pre-determine EVERYTHING
EXAMPLE: If I played a chord, accompiniments flow easier at the same time I can pick a LYRIC/MELODY to coincide with the groove of the song, hence : HOOK, plus with the orchestration of how it should be structured: intro,verse,bridge,hook,2ndverse etc...
you can have a pretty good idea of how it is to be mixed WAAAY before hand because of the PRODUCER insight.
Hope this helps you understand a bit
BLISS - Writer, Producer, Arranger, Composer, Engineer, Artist
MSTUDIO- where it all takes place
It depends....
Puffy -- not a musician, but can orchestrate what it is he hears to other people of what a hit is to be
Indie Arie - musician, but needs a producer to orchestrate & mix parts of the song to bring her existing greatness to greater heights
So think of the possiblity if the PRODUCER was a MUSICIAN ala:
PRINCE, BABYFACE, BRIAN McKNIGHT, D'ANGELO,PATRICE RUSHEN, TINA MARIE, (ALICIA KEYS to a degree) etc...
my vision is the producer SHOULD be a musician, (that's my view)
REASON: it helps to pre-determine EVERYTHING
EXAMPLE: If I played a chord, accompiniments flow easier at the same time I can pick a LYRIC/MELODY to coincide with the groove of the song, hence : HOOK, plus with the orchestration of how it should be structured: intro,verse,bridge,hook,2ndverse etc...
you can have a pretty good idea of how it is to be mixed WAAAY before hand because of the PRODUCER insight.
Hope this helps you understand a bit
BLISS - Writer, Producer, Arranger, Composer, Engineer, Artist
MSTUDIO- where it all takes place
Track Rat
Just Your Average Sized Member
If he plays an instrument, yes, if he only "produces", hell no.
barefoot
barefootsound.com
Depends on which definition of producer you mean.
A "Record Producer" is the person who directs the recording and/or mixing and/or mastering of a record. A record producer might also happen to be a musician, but the actual role of the producer in this case is not the same as being a musician. It's more like being a book editor, as opposed to being a writer.
In hip hop and electronica the person who actually created the music (arranged the loops, played the synth, tweaked the filters, etc…) is usually called the "Producer". In this case, I would definite say the person is a musician.
barefoot
A "Record Producer" is the person who directs the recording and/or mixing and/or mastering of a record. A record producer might also happen to be a musician, but the actual role of the producer in this case is not the same as being a musician. It's more like being a book editor, as opposed to being a writer.
In hip hop and electronica the person who actually created the music (arranged the loops, played the synth, tweaked the filters, etc…) is usually called the "Producer". In this case, I would definite say the person is a musician.
barefoot
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pgm
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stray411
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Mstudio,
Question for you. Although Babyface is technically a producer wouldn't he most likely be considered a composer/songwriter? For the most part he is writing and playing all the instrument parts, as well as the writing lyrics and melody. Unlike someone like Dre for instance, a producer who may play some of the instruments tracks, but a lot of times will have key and bass players playing and writing the instrument parts or inserting loops from other music.
I've had trouble with this term "Producer" because it seems to carry so many different roles. I don't think someone who puts together some drum, bass and key loops he sampled from elsewhere or had played for him to be in the same game with someone like Babyface who actually writes and plays musical compositions.
It's seems in hip-hop if an MC has a ghost-writer they get looked down upon and are considered to be something other that a real MC. On the other hand lot's of producers do the same thing in regard to the music they use and that's completely accectable. I don't know if that make's any sense.
I'm not challenging what you're saying I'm just curious how other's feel about this.
Stray
www.mp3.com/PerpetualProductio
Question for you. Although Babyface is technically a producer wouldn't he most likely be considered a composer/songwriter? For the most part he is writing and playing all the instrument parts, as well as the writing lyrics and melody. Unlike someone like Dre for instance, a producer who may play some of the instruments tracks, but a lot of times will have key and bass players playing and writing the instrument parts or inserting loops from other music.
I've had trouble with this term "Producer" because it seems to carry so many different roles. I don't think someone who puts together some drum, bass and key loops he sampled from elsewhere or had played for him to be in the same game with someone like Babyface who actually writes and plays musical compositions.
It's seems in hip-hop if an MC has a ghost-writer they get looked down upon and are considered to be something other that a real MC. On the other hand lot's of producers do the same thing in regard to the music they use and that's completely accectable. I don't know if that make's any sense.
I'm not challenging what you're saying I'm just curious how other's feel about this.
Stray
www.mp3.com/PerpetualProductio
M
mstudio1224@aol.com
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Stray 411
I agree with 100% but dont forget, "THIS HERE IS A BIT-NESS"
breakdown:
BabyFace: would be considered a SONGWRITER, COMPOSER, ARRANGER, which ALL consist of being a producer -- in short-- he has the whole song configured from just a thought-- before he lays a hand to do anything.
Dre-- Still consider a Producer, cause he constructs the ARRANGEMENT of the song, then he calls in people to play LIVE (which he cannot play) but he can guide them with his programmed samples/beats/whatever to guide them how to ride the groove --- ALA -- what PUFFY does, tell them what to do
but DRE is waaaaay more respected (ha ha ha )
Even the person who pulls samples, loops or whatever from other NOTICABLE songs is still considered a PRODUCER, simply because, if they ARRANGE the song DIFFERENTLY where you cant tell what song they took it from, THAT RIGHT THERE took a thought process, a arrangement process, a composing process to NOT make it sound like the original though it was taken from it.
About Ghostwriting, yeah you do get looked down upon simply because how can you go out there and FRONT like you HOT, when yo! shit is sweeter than a broken wristed fag name ANTWON --- now if your put on the spot what are you gonna do ---2 way the person to tell them to write you something (ha ha )
This is a HUSTLE, this is BIT-NESS, this (as DMX would say) NOT---A ----FUCK'n ----GAME. That's why I do all the work myself, i dont have time for B.S., slack M.F., EGO M.F. believe me I've been through my share, but I've made my dough, made my place, got my house, 2 cars and such, but I dont BRAG or EXPOSE my isht, cause it's about (as RAKIM stated in 89 "know-the-ledge-)
If you didnt understand that song from the flick "JUICE" it means
"KNOWLEDGE" how well do you know, how much of do you have
cause without it, you gonna fall OFF the edge.
One.... fammo any other questions, feel free, I'd be happy to clear ya mind of how this biz works
I agree with 100% but dont forget, "THIS HERE IS A BIT-NESS"
breakdown:
BabyFace: would be considered a SONGWRITER, COMPOSER, ARRANGER, which ALL consist of being a producer -- in short-- he has the whole song configured from just a thought-- before he lays a hand to do anything.
Dre-- Still consider a Producer, cause he constructs the ARRANGEMENT of the song, then he calls in people to play LIVE (which he cannot play) but he can guide them with his programmed samples/beats/whatever to guide them how to ride the groove --- ALA -- what PUFFY does, tell them what to do
but DRE is waaaaay more respected (ha ha ha )
Even the person who pulls samples, loops or whatever from other NOTICABLE songs is still considered a PRODUCER, simply because, if they ARRANGE the song DIFFERENTLY where you cant tell what song they took it from, THAT RIGHT THERE took a thought process, a arrangement process, a composing process to NOT make it sound like the original though it was taken from it.
About Ghostwriting, yeah you do get looked down upon simply because how can you go out there and FRONT like you HOT, when yo! shit is sweeter than a broken wristed fag name ANTWON --- now if your put on the spot what are you gonna do ---2 way the person to tell them to write you something (ha ha )
This is a HUSTLE, this is BIT-NESS, this (as DMX would say) NOT---A ----FUCK'n ----GAME. That's why I do all the work myself, i dont have time for B.S., slack M.F., EGO M.F. believe me I've been through my share, but I've made my dough, made my place, got my house, 2 cars and such, but I dont BRAG or EXPOSE my isht, cause it's about (as RAKIM stated in 89 "know-the-ledge-)
If you didnt understand that song from the flick "JUICE" it means
"KNOWLEDGE" how well do you know, how much of do you have
cause without it, you gonna fall OFF the edge.
One.... fammo any other questions, feel free, I'd be happy to clear ya mind of how this biz works
Roel
That SMART guy.
I just read half of this thread... How do you define a producer? I guess it depends on how far his task goes. If it's just his task of getting everything on tape as good as possible then maybe not. If he makes up part of arranging, songwriting, maybe even composing, then he is...
I guess in some cases, he is, just like a director is a musician. He isn't playing either, but believe me, a decent director is one hell of a musician.
I guess in some cases, he is, just like a director is a musician. He isn't playing either, but believe me, a decent director is one hell of a musician.
stray411
New member
Mstudio,
"About Ghostwriting, yeah you do get looked down upon simply because how can you go out there and FRONT like you HOT, when yo! shit is sweeter than a broken wristed fag name ANTWON --- now if your put on the spot what are you gonna do ---2 way the person to tell them to write you something (ha ha )"
Why is it that this same principle isn't applied to the music side of things? Why is it if someone puts together some loops that are unidentifiable they can "Front like they are hot"? What happens if they are put on the spot and asked to write something in someone else's studio. What are they going to do order some loop CDs or start downloading from the net?
Don't get me wrong it does take some amount of creativity to arrange some loops but not even near the same level of ability it takes to actually make music, writing with actual instruments of some sort.
Just my two cents
Stray
www.mp3.com/PerpetualProductio
"About Ghostwriting, yeah you do get looked down upon simply because how can you go out there and FRONT like you HOT, when yo! shit is sweeter than a broken wristed fag name ANTWON --- now if your put on the spot what are you gonna do ---2 way the person to tell them to write you something (ha ha )"
Why is it that this same principle isn't applied to the music side of things? Why is it if someone puts together some loops that are unidentifiable they can "Front like they are hot"? What happens if they are put on the spot and asked to write something in someone else's studio. What are they going to do order some loop CDs or start downloading from the net?
Don't get me wrong it does take some amount of creativity to arrange some loops but not even near the same level of ability it takes to actually make music, writing with actual instruments of some sort.
Just my two cents
Stray
www.mp3.com/PerpetualProductio
stray411
New member
Roel,
Thanks for your input here. I'm thinking this confusion in terms comes into play mainly because so many people who are considered producers actually writer and compose as well.
So let me see if I have this straight. A composer writes the actual music. If that composer put this musical work on tape, CD, mp3 or any other sort of media they are then considered a producer. Is that correct?
Stray
Thanks for your input here. I'm thinking this confusion in terms comes into play mainly because so many people who are considered producers actually writer and compose as well.
So let me see if I have this straight. A composer writes the actual music. If that composer put this musical work on tape, CD, mp3 or any other sort of media they are then considered a producer. Is that correct?
Stray
stray411
New member
Roel,
Thanks for your input here. I'm thinking this confusion in terms comes into play mainly because so many people who are considered producers actually writer and compose as well.
So let me see if I have this straight. A composer writes the actual music. If that composer put this musical work on tape, CD, mp3 or any other sort of media they are then considered a producer. Is that correct?
Stray
www.mp3.com/PerpetualProductio
Thanks for your input here. I'm thinking this confusion in terms comes into play mainly because so many people who are considered producers actually writer and compose as well.
So let me see if I have this straight. A composer writes the actual music. If that composer put this musical work on tape, CD, mp3 or any other sort of media they are then considered a producer. Is that correct?
Stray
www.mp3.com/PerpetualProductio
Trak
New member
Roel said:
Roel I disagree with you here, because many legendary producers did not take part in the arranging, songwriting and composing aspects. George Martin, for example, when he produced the Beatles.
It is my understanding that the record producer is the person responsible for seeing the initial idea through to the final product, while also managing the budget, and dealing with all those involved in the process of creating the final product. He/she actually being a musician as well is a good quality to have, but does not make or break his/her producer status.
barefoot
barefootsound.com
Emmm.... like I already said... there is more than one definition of the word "producer".
Hip-hop/electronica "producer" - musician who lays down the beats.
Record "producer" - engineer who directs the recording and/or mixing and/or mastering of a record.
Executive "producer" - businessperson who manages the organizational and money aspects of a recording.
Some people may wear more than one of these hats, but it's silly to get wrapped up in a debate over semantics.
barefoot
Hip-hop/electronica "producer" - musician who lays down the beats.
Record "producer" - engineer who directs the recording and/or mixing and/or mastering of a record.
Executive "producer" - businessperson who manages the organizational and money aspects of a recording.
Some people may wear more than one of these hats, but it's silly to get wrapped up in a debate over semantics.
barefoot