Incorporation of an 8 track

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A little background...

Our studio's console is a Mackie 32*8. We record to a mackie sdr2496. Since we are limited to 24 tracks of playback, we use channel 25 thru 32 for inputs. So our preamp rack brings 8 channels from various preamps into the line input jacks on 25-32. If we need to record drums in the drum room, we select the mic inputs and take the feed from the snake in the drum room into the mackie 32-8 preamps channel 25-32.

This allows us to record 8 tracks simultaneously (in four years we;ve never had more than 8 inputs at one time, HEY there are only 2 of us...) so it fits our needs perfectly.

The hitch in the giddyup is that we recently purchased a Tascam 38 8 track tape recorder. The goal was to be able to send the inputs to the tape machine. then be able to bounce them onto the mackie. But also allow tracks on the mackie to be bounced onto the tape.

After some time and some meditation, i used a patchbay (duh). i brought the Direct Outs on inputs 25-32 into the patch bay, HN, allowing it to be sent to the mackie as well if we choose not to record to tape. Then i brough the tape outs into another bank on the patch bay. So now, we can record to either the mackie or the tape, and bring the tape output into the mackie via patch cables. Sync track is set up not to change so that channel 8 on the tape always handles sync.

The only issue left is we need to be able to get 24 channels on the 32-8 onto tape as we see fit (we experiment with reverse, and loops so i want the option) and the only way i can see to route it is to use 3 8 channel 1/4"x1/4" snakes on the direct outs 1-24 into a seperate patchbay, allowing us to route say, channel 17 to tape 1 for instance.

Is anyone following me? Is this setup idiotic? any advice? It's difficult to have the SDR the center of the setup for three years, and then incorporate the tape, but not limit eithers involvement.

Beck? Maybe you have some advice?
 
Correct me if I misunderstand...(I have an MDR24) I think when you send 24 outs to the 38 that tracks 1/9/17 will all go to track 1 one the 38. Likewise with 2/10/18 to trck 2, 3/11/19 to track 3 etc. I'm running through a 24/4 vlz board so I don't have as many subouts as you do but it's my feeling that this is how it will work for you. Have you tried 24 outs to the 38 yet?
 
Brendan,

Why can't you record to tape via the 8 output busses on the 32*8?

I'd set the patchbay up to matrix the console (almost) entirely. You already have the DO's set up that way it looks like. I'd matrix the busses that way as well, so you can send them to whatever gear you want to add to the patch matrix. This would include your 8-track.

The idea really is to move the "center" of your system from the SDR to the patchbay itself.

Does that make any sense or am I misunderstanding you?

G.
 
glen, it does make sense. I'm calling fletcher today and we're going to work it out. I've got some very hokey aspects to my setup that i need to work out from the ground up. It does make sense to use the busses and i thought of that, but because of my whack-ass setup, i need to get a handle on some base issues first. I'll keep yall posted.

and yes, the center of the studio should have been and will be patchbays soon enough. *sigh, (says to himself) that's what they're designed for....idiot...
 
Doesn't that Mackie board have in-line tape inputs with a flip switch to send the tape returns to the channel faders and main mix? It's been a while since I looked at that board. If it does, wouldn't you want to use these instead of the line inputs to return your 24-track to the board? I would return the 24 track to the first 24 tape returns and the 8-track to the last 8, and then maybe patchbay normal the 24 direct outputs to the 24-track, and the 8-buss outputs to the 8 track with a couple of patchbays, so you can send busses to the 24 or directs to the 8 with a simple patch cable, and still be able to monitor off the tape returns until its time to mix, at which point I'd just flip the channels to the main faders. Then you'd have the option of sending these to the 2-mix, or two the 8 busses, which would be normalled to your 8-track's inputs.

Maybe I'm wrong and the board doesn't have that feature though.

I would also just bring up the line outputs of your outboard preamps on the patchbay as well, and just patch them directly to their destinations, rather than running them through the Mackie (unless you're bussing them together with another signal).
 
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brendandwyer said:
wowsers, i've got lots of work to do now :)
Ah, I love the smell of solder in the morning! :D

Lots of tedious work, but not bad work with some music in the background and your favorite non-alcoholic beverage (placed well-away from the business cord for your soldering iron ;) ). You get into a groove and the time will fly.

The best part is that it's well worth the effort. A well-designed patch bay setup will add so much ease and flexibility to your workflow that it will, at worst, un-jam your creative groove, and, at best, give you more creative options (it's a lot easier to get creative with signal chain when you don't have a big pile of spaghetti to dig through.) :)

G.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
Ah, I love the smell of solder in the morning! :D

Lots of tedious work, but not bad work with some music in the background and your favorite non-alcoholic beverage (placed well-away from the business cord for your soldering iron ;) ). You get into a groove and the time will fly.

The best part is that it's well worth the effort. A well-designed patch bay setup will add so much ease and flexibility to your workflow that it will, at worst, un-jam your creative groove, and, at best, give you more creative options (it's a lot easier to get creative with signal chain when you don't have a big pile of spaghetti to dig through.) :)

G.
FWIW- I used my bays with 1/4 to 1/4 cabling for six months to see what I used most and what I wanted where before 'lighting up the irons'. I think I ended up with a system that works well for me, at least. Just a thought....
 
Oh it's not the work that bugs me its the down time. But hey that's life. We've got rythym tracks done for a new song and because of this project, i'm going to have to put it on hold. It's ok cause the lyrics aren't as good as they should be anyway.
 
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