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cusebassman
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Don't worry, they were most likely stolen anyway. No loss there!
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Don't worry, they were most likely stolen anyway. No loss there!
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jonnyc
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to be honest bro if we can talk him into using garageband or something free or cheap then all the better so thats why were talking to him. Its when people ignore this kinda question that drives people to the nearest torrent site to download the newest most expensive piece of cracked kit.
sad but true
My point was he needed to be called on it and educated as to why it hurts software companies when you steal their shit. I'm all for directing him to something that works for cheap but he needs to understand his wrongs first, IMHO.
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fishkarma
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Fair enough
SonicAlbert
Super-Sonic "Herb" Albert
All the suggestions I made are for freeware, software that's already on his Mac, or inexpensive software. Others here made the same type of suggestions, and no one offered help pirating software.
While pirating software is wrong, getting up on a soapbox and morally berating someone is perhaps not as effective as simply making some better suggestions in a positive way.
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DAS19
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Yeah im sure the feds are going to show up on my door step!!! I should probably change my identity and move to mexico! Hey I hate to break it to you but probably more then half the people on here have currently pirated software so how about you get over the fact that im straight up about it.
Im really not worried about getting arrested over the fact of telling an online internet forum.
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DAS19
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YEAH OMG IM SOOO WRONG! I use the programs for none commercial use. I spend hours with bands that dont pay just so I can help them out along with them helping me out by getting experience.
So go ahead direct know that I understand my wrongs. NOT.
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jonnyc
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Oh, ok. So I can go ahead and steal music and movies off the net because I'm not charging people to watch or listen to them. Geez thanks for clearing all that up for me little buddy. That's so kind of you. It's still wrong and apparently you're WAY too immature to figure that out. So, IMHO, you don't deserve any help.
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jonnyc
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Nobody was berating anybody and obviously by this kids last couple of posts he doesn't get that he's wrong in the least bit. It's cool you directed him to freeware, but when did I ever say that anyone offered help in pirating software? I was just curious why nobody even mentioned to the kid that he shouldn't pirate and now I'm getting it from more people than he is.
Reggie
PutsTheLotionOnItsSkin
It's not about your chances of getting arrested or not. Geez... These people with no moral compass crack me up. Our boy here would probably just murder a studio owner and steal his gear if there wasn't a higher risk of getting arrested.
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danny.guitar
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After that long, stupid bullshit piracy thread, I'm kind of worn out on the whole subject. If someone wants to pirate software, let them. If they're too lazy to get a job and save for it, they are probably too lazy to actually learn about the software and get the most out of it.
Chances are, they will make threads like this until they finally get tired/lose interest in recording all together.
I get the impression he wants to be sure he's using something capable of making professional sounding recordings. I guess he doesn't understand (even at this point) that the software won't hold him back from that...so really, pirating software is a wasted effort.
Go pirate some nice microphones or something.
Chances are, they will make threads like this until they finally get tired/lose interest in recording all together.
I get the impression he wants to be sure he's using something capable of making professional sounding recordings. I guess he doesn't understand (even at this point) that the software won't hold him back from that...so really, pirating software is a wasted effort.
Go pirate some nice microphones or something.
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fishkarma
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Haha nice one!
Steve Henningsgard
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In regards to pirating, we're at an interesting time now where kids are growing up (this includes my generation) with moral issues most kids never had to deal with, or at least there was a much more easily defined line and the likelihood of getting caught was nearly 100% (go ahead and try to steal analog equipment capable of doing what a pirated version of Sonar does today... bring a UHaul...). Now imagine if all you had to do to get away with stealing that much equipment was download a free program and click a mouse a couple of times. Yeah, not as easy. It's like walking to school every day with a line of Porsche's all the way down the street, unoccupied, keys in 'em, full of gas, with little post-it notes saying "please pay for this car".
Morals are easy to teach kids when there are obvious, clearly-defined lines. When the lines become fuzzy, and the likelihood of getting caught are nearly zero, it's much harder to convince some jackass 16-year-old to be the only kid in school not stealing music/videos/etc. Berating them on a message board such as this at least plants the seed that maybe it is in fact wrong to steal software, but in the long run it's probably not gonna make much of a difference.
Admittedly, I grew up a generation earlier, when it wasn't even widely known that it was illegal to download music, and when almost every kid was downloading illegal versions of almost all software (most people didn't even know about file-sharing programs). I stole more software than I'd like to admit. It'd probably make you throw up a little in your mouth. But as I grew older, I grew wiser, and developed a conscience, and am now running only one piece of illegal software, which I'm about to replace now that I've saved up enough to purchase it. You know what I've found about owning software like Windows, Microsoft Office, and finding free alternatives to programs like Photoshop? You feel much better about using the software! Your conscience is clear, and similar to purchasing your first expensive microphone, you feel a sense of ownership and pride in saving up and buying it that makes a noticeable difference in the quality of your work. There are nothing but positive benefits to purchasing software. No need to worry about getting caught, great support, updates, etc. Just go legit ASAP and thank me later.
Morals are easy to teach kids when there are obvious, clearly-defined lines. When the lines become fuzzy, and the likelihood of getting caught are nearly zero, it's much harder to convince some jackass 16-year-old to be the only kid in school not stealing music/videos/etc. Berating them on a message board such as this at least plants the seed that maybe it is in fact wrong to steal software, but in the long run it's probably not gonna make much of a difference.
Admittedly, I grew up a generation earlier, when it wasn't even widely known that it was illegal to download music, and when almost every kid was downloading illegal versions of almost all software (most people didn't even know about file-sharing programs). I stole more software than I'd like to admit. It'd probably make you throw up a little in your mouth. But as I grew older, I grew wiser, and developed a conscience, and am now running only one piece of illegal software, which I'm about to replace now that I've saved up enough to purchase it. You know what I've found about owning software like Windows, Microsoft Office, and finding free alternatives to programs like Photoshop? You feel much better about using the software! Your conscience is clear, and similar to purchasing your first expensive microphone, you feel a sense of ownership and pride in saving up and buying it that makes a noticeable difference in the quality of your work. There are nothing but positive benefits to purchasing software. No need to worry about getting caught, great support, updates, etc. Just go legit ASAP and thank me later.
MessianicDreams
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Jesus christ, I'm not sure if you guys are aware but there's a whole fucking thread about a billion pages long about the rights & wrongs & various shades of grey surrounding software piracy.
If you haven't got your daily dose of winging about that please go do so in that thread.
Do you REALLY think that you're going to stop people from doing what they do? You think by telling them they're naughty little boys is gunna help?
are you REALLY that naive?????
if you don't like people using pirated shit, don't fucking offer your help - i'm sure plenty of others will. I'm sick of threads turning into piracy police central.
thank you and goodnight.
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Reggie
PutsTheLotionOnItsSkin
Ooooo, he used the f*-word and the s*-word.....I think he's really serious; we better quit. 
If you don't like threads turning into discussions of the rights and wrongs of software piracy, then don't *bleep*ing bother looking at them. Who are you, the police of piracy policing threads? Do you REALLY think you are going to prevent people from speaking their minds about how they feel software piracy is wrong? *Bleep*ing *bleep*.
If you don't like threads turning into discussions of the rights and wrongs of software piracy, then don't *bleep*ing bother looking at them. Who are you, the police of piracy policing threads? Do you REALLY think you are going to prevent people from speaking their minds about how they feel software piracy is wrong? *Bleep*ing *bleep*.
warble2
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cusebassman
Freakin' sweet
Yeah, and they are equally relegated to the douchebag category that you are currently sitting under. At least they have the forethought not to spout off about it, and get bitched at accordingly - because whether you think the government is going to bust you or not, it's wrong either way. So go sit in the corner like the bad little boy you've been.
I know someone already responded to this, but I will reiterate - it doesn't suddenly become legal or morally correct when you aren't charging people for use of the software, and are simply using it for yourself. Sorry, it just doesn't.
Excellent post - read it a few times.
I feel it is perfectly within our rights to bring this point up, atleast in regard to the fact that the original poster was more than happy to volunteer the information regarding his pirating practices. Much like SonicAl said, he simply offered advice on free or otherwise cheap programs this kid could use instead of ripping off companies.
He didn't want to get up on his soapbox, and I commend him for it - I, however, did
And as someone else said, if you don't like it, don't read it. Its not that difficult.In response, again, to the OP, I don't think he'll stop pirating software because we whined at him on a bbs - nor do I think he'll take any of the advice we've given on what legitimate software there is out there to use, simply because it won't make him a millionaire producer.
In conclusion: best thread ever!
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jonnyc
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The point is if he's pirating then he needs to keep the shit to himself. Not come on here and ask people what other programs he can use(assuming pirated) because he's on a mac now. I for one don't give a flying shit what you're sick of and you can take your own advice. If you don't like it, don't fucking respond to the thread. Fucking pirate.
MessianicDreams
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I'm just gunna sit back and laugh - hey, you guys keep banging your head against the same brickwall if it puts a smile on yer face - and watch another thread turning into something it shouldn't because a tiny part of the contents disagrees with certain of your (and i use that as a collective term) moral code.
Don't get me wrong - I don't condone the use of pirated software. And perhaps i was a bit harsh
but i think you all see my point...
Don't get me wrong - I don't condone the use of pirated software. And perhaps i was a bit harsh
but i think you all see my point...
Steve Henningsgard
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I'm just gunna sit back and laugh - hey, you guys keep banging your head against the same brickwall if it puts a smile on yer face - and watch another thread turning into something it shouldn't because a tiny part of the contents disagrees with certain of your (and i use that as a collective term) moral code.
Don't get me wrong - I don't condone the use of pirated software. And perhaps i was a bit harsh
but i think you all see my point...
I did my best to condense the entire argument to one post, with the hopes the discussion on pirating would end. Apparently, everybody (including yourself) feels the need to continue debating stupid shit like whether or not one should post an anti-piracy blurb when somebody mentions they're pirating software. Of course you should. It would've taken you much less time to post "You're right, piracy blows, end of story." vs. some stupid rant (much like this one humorously)...
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