I'm Being called a Liar and a Fraud

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In another forum, by a guy who claims to have 30 years in the music business. I record a trib band to an Alesis HD24, then remix it in N-track Studio 4, and master with Ozone 3.

It is a live, one take performance recording. During my mixing, I remove the room, that is, I clean each track to take out as much bleed from mic to mic as I can. The result is often startling. This guy is calling me a liar and fraud for claiming that it's live. That the drums are too clean, that the seperation is to precise, that the performance is too good.

Not only does this impune my reputation, but also that of the bands. There are lots of people on that forum that I know and respect, and consider friends. But this person will not accept any explanation or desciption of my technology and methods. He simply claims it's impossible to get the mix I got without studio overdubbing, retakes and isolation booths. And since he knows better - thats the end of that. And he doesn't hesitate to tell others in the forum that what I have done is simply impossible.

This is EXTREMELY frustration to me because i KNOW these are live recordings with nothing added, redone or modified beyond what I did during the mixing.

I don't want to come off as being a whiney jerk about this to others in the forum so I told him 'just because he lacks the knowledge to do what I've done, he shouldn't disrespect me or my band.'

However, he persists. I've sent him screen shots of my channel EQ's, comp settings, Efx settings, even mixed down portions of the song to prove to him how I did it. He still insists it's impossible, that I must be lying.

I turn to you fellow mixers, to gain some advice as to how to handle this situation. To show this guy that I followed the "There are no rules" credo and done something he considers impossible. To restore my bands and my reputation.

Here are the songs he claims are impossible to have been recorded live. You have my solemn word, they are.

LadyMadonna

Savoy Truffle
 
have you taken a step back and thought to yourself, "why do either of us care?"
because i'll bet there isn't a single person on that message board that really does
 
michaelst said:
In another forum, by a guy who claims to have 30 years in the music business. I record a trib band to an Alesis HD24, then remix it in N-track Studio 4, and master with Ozone 3.

It is a live, one take performance recording. During my mixing, I remove the room, that is, I clean each track to take out as much bleed from mic to mic as I can. The result is often startling. This guy is calling me a liar and fraud for claiming that it's live. That the drums are too clean, that the seperation is to precise, that the performance is too good.

Not only does this impune my reputation, but also that of the bands. There are lots of people on that forum that I know and respect, and consider friends. But this person will not accept any explanation or desciption of my technology and methods. He simply claims it's impossible to get the mix I got without studio overdubbing, retakes and isolation booths. And since he knows better - thats the end of that. And he doesn't hesitate to tell others in the forum that what I have done is simply impossible.

This is EXTREMELY frustration to me because i KNOW these are live recordings with nothing added, redone or modified beyond what I did during the mixing.

I don't want to come off as being a whiney jerk about this to others in the forum so I told him 'just because he lacks the knowledge to do what I've done, he shouldn't disrespect me or my band.'

However, he persists. I've sent him screen shots of my channel EQ's, comp settings, Efx settings, even mixed down portions of the song to prove to him how I did it. He still insists it's impossible, that I must be lying.

I turn to you fellow mixers, to gain some advice as to how to handle this situation. To show this guy that I followed the "There are no rules" credo and done something he considers impossible. To restore my bands and my reputation.

Here are the songs he claims are impossible to have been recorded live. You have my solemn word, they are.

LadyMadonna

Savoy Truffle
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So all that means is that you did a GREAT job. Next!
 
Yeah, it doesn't seem worth the time and effort to make some stubborn asshat believe anything. His opinion means nothing to me, I'm willing to bet it means nothing to you. As far as restoring reputation, you give too much credit to someone you will probably never meet. Tell him to have a coke and a smile and stfu.
 
This sound live!

Good recording and all, but still live

I think that this guy wich is acusing you is a crazy burned out men
You should call him a liar and a fraud! :D
 
It's pretty obvious that it is a live recording. If it wasn't live you would have redone the vocal tracks on Lady Madonna which are really horrible sounding especially the [and I use the term loosely] harmonies. The piano is badly distorted also.
 
Nice recordings but what's with all the fizzy distortion on Lady Madonna? I wish I could record stuff live that well.............why do you give a shit what that guy thinks?
 
The forum is a Beatles related board. So, it's important to me that the band has a good reputation.

The lady madonna distortion of the vocal and the keys is a direct homage to the original recording, which if you take the time to drag out and really listen to, is quite similar.

His claim is I could not have panned the snare and hat so wide and not have done it in a studio, tracking each singley, in an iso booth.

The reason I care what this guy thinks, is his opinion carries weight on that forum. And I think I've done a very good job with these recordings.

Other trib bands post songs, that others go nuts about that are, frankly, garbage compared to these.

Yes, I know I'm being kind of petty, but it just burns my chaps that the band gets dismissed as hacks, when in fact, they are better than 90% of trib bands out there.

I know, I know... it's not a competition (so, please... no wagering), but there are ALWAYS comparisons.

And don't tell me you wouldn't also be pissed if you had accomplished something and someone came along and told others you cheated, when you KNOW you did nothing wrong!

As you can tell, I'm frustrated. Thanks for letting me vent.
 
Sounds great to me. I think it's live because I thought I heard the tempo slow down a bit at one point on Lady Madonna.

Great job!
 
michaelst said:
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His claim is I could not have panned the snare and hat so wide and not have done it in a studio, tracking each singley, in an iso booth.
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Look, this guy seens that he is stalking you,because he obviously cant see oh well.... the obvious :D
He seens to pick on trivial questions like this

or maybe he doesnt understand nothing about live recordings.
I dont know about him, but you could easily pan the snare and hi hats the way you did on a live recording
 
Yeah, sounds live to me.

Where in Milwaukee are you? I'm moving up there very soon (as soon as my house sells) to work at the Hal Leonard office on Bluemound Rd.
 
Sounds live to me too. Screw that guy. He's obviously an asshole so what do you care what he thinks? I'm pretty sure everyone else is thinking the same too.
 
If he's actually calling you a "liar" and a "fraud", I don't think you should leave it unchallenged. Thank him for his unintended compliment on your mixing skills and the band's performance, deny his accusation and restate that it's a single-take live recording, and tell him you'd like to quote him for promotional purposes. Do it with no hint of disrespect

It probably won't change his mind but it's not for him; it's for others to read.

Just my 2 cents.
 
michaelst said:
The forum is a Beatles related board. So, it's important to me that the band has a good reputation.

The lady madonna distortion of the vocal and the keys is a direct homage to the original recording, which if you take the time to drag out and really listen to, is quite similar.
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I beg to differ, I am a huge Beatles fan. The distortion is nowhere near as pronounced on their recording. The Beatles had nearly flawless recordings, if it sounded a certain way it was meant to be like that.

It sounds as if the piano and vocals are both over distorted, like the gain is cranked too high and then the level is brought down in the mix on your recording. But it was overdone a bit.
 
Beagle... I live in the city, on the northwest side. You'll like it here, especially during the summer. Multiple festivals with live music every weekend from may to september, all over town. Not to mention The Big Gig - Summerfest.

Eddie.. I like your suggestion. And if I do it without sarcasm, it'll be quite effective :)

Undrgrnd... I do believe you are right about the distortion. There is undoubtedly some , but I will dial it back a few hairs. And i think maybe the mp3 format may emphasis it also.
 
michaelst said:
In another forum, by a guy who claims to have 30 years in the music business. I record a trib band to an Alesis HD24, then remix it in N-track Studio 4, and master with Ozone 3.

It is a live, one take performance recording. During my mixing, I remove the room, that is, I clean each track to take out as much bleed from mic to mic as I can. The result is often startling. This guy is calling me a liar and fraud for claiming that it's live. That the drums are too clean, that the seperation is to precise, that the performance is too good.

Not only does this impune my reputation, but also that of the bands. There are lots of people on that forum that I know and respect, and consider friends. But this person will not accept any explanation or desciption of my technology and methods. He simply claims it's impossible to get the mix I got without studio overdubbing, retakes and isolation booths. And since he knows better - thats the end of that. And he doesn't hesitate to tell others in the forum that what I have done is simply impossible.

This is EXTREMELY frustration to me because i KNOW these are live recordings with nothing added, redone or modified beyond what I did during the mixing.

I don't want to come off as being a whiney jerk about this to others in the forum so I told him 'just because he lacks the knowledge to do what I've done, he shouldn't disrespect me or my band.'

However, he persists. I've sent him screen shots of my channel EQ's, comp settings, Efx settings, even mixed down portions of the song to prove to him how I did it. He still insists it's impossible, that I must be lying.

I turn to you fellow mixers, to gain some advice as to how to handle this situation. To show this guy that I followed the "There are no rules" credo and done something he considers impossible. To restore my bands and my reputation.

Here are the songs he claims are impossible to have been recorded live. You have my solemn word, they are.

LadyMadonna

Savoy Truffle
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Show some balls.......we want his name! :D :eek: :)
 
ocnor said:
It's pretty obvious that it is a live recording. If it wasn't live you would have redone the vocal tracks on Lady Madonna which are really horrible sounding especially the [and I use the term loosely] harmonies. The piano is badly distorted also.
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Thanks, ocnor. I didn't want to be the first one to say it. The vox just made me cringe.
 
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