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Check this song out. Myspace encoding butchered it so theres some noise, so if anyone has any ideas on how upload it cleaner, please let me know. Add me if you like it. Fans of Manson, Type o and maybe even floyd and radiohead may want to check it out. The song is long, but has NO filler.


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Patience, Grasshopper. This crowd doesn't stir much in the early hours.
 
For some reason, I kept wanting to hear some synthesizer in there to help really fill out the sound. Maybe some sparse piano as well to help with the mood of the song.
 
RAMI said:
Jesus man, relax. You posted this at about 5am, and you're already bitching and whining at 6am???? :rolleyes:
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One bump and youre crying about me bumping too soon? Besides, someone already said what you did, just in a less PMSish way.
 
Solaris79 said:
For some reason, I kept wanting to hear some synthesizer in there to help really fill out the sound. Maybe some sparse piano as well to help with the mood of the song.
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It has some synth. In the verses, it's pretty deep in the background, but later, it's kind of up front. I decided to let the guitars be at the fore front in this one.
 
Mull said:
One bump and youre crying about me bumping too soon?
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There's only one person doing any crying in this thread, and it ain't me.:p

Speaking of PMS:
cmon.....no feedback? Not even insults?
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...that's a lot more than a simple bump...but I don't want to side-track your thread. It's about the music. Carry on.
 
this isn't particularly my thing, but i didn't dislike the song either. in any case, i'll strictly critique the recording side of things. please don't be offended--i'm trying to be constructive based on what i hear.

some thoughts:

first, get yourself a soundclick account. it's free, and the sound quality is far superior to myspace, which will give us all a better idea of what your recording really sounds like. that being said...

good points first: on the mellow parts, the mix seems pretty good. i like how the bass guitar carries those parts and the guitars are tucked back a bit, but not hidden. vox/drums seem to be at appropriate levels too.

now the criticisms:

the snare is way too loud on the heavier parts, except when you have the heavier vox going around the 4:50 mark. that's my fave part of the song, btw--pretty intense. just need to fix the next two issues and it'll be killer:

the chorus on the vocals is really overkill as well. i don't mind some effects, but you've got that chorus cranked to 11! it really makes it sound out of tune and unpleasant at times.

distorted guitars lack air. i'd back off the distortion, rely on their midrange content rather than highs/lows, and maybe double-track/pan them to make 'em bigger.

and what happened to the rest of the song? it cuts off around 6 min. :confused:

hope this helps. good luck man! :)
 
Thanks for the input. The whole song is there, myspace just doesnt always play the entire thing. Thanks for the critique. The guitars were actually panned and doubled. I usually have 3 or 4 guitars going at one time. I put heavy chorus on vox because the mood is basically inspired by deftones/ type o, but I could deff use a higher quality processor for vocal effects. The chorus is cranked way up on the really mellow part when theres just guitar and vox for a kind of ghostly effect. SoundClick's 10mb upload limit kinda turned me off, but since you say their encoder is so much better, I'll definately give it a try.
 
drossfile said:
this isn't particularly my thing, but i didn't dislike the song either. in any case, i'll strictly critique the recording side of things. please don't be offended--i'm trying to be constructive based on what i hear.

some thoughts:

first, get yourself a soundclick account. it's free, and the sound quality is far superior to myspace, which will give us all a better idea of what your recording really sounds like. that being said...

good points first: on the mellow parts, the mix seems pretty good. i like how the bass guitar carries those parts and the guitars are tucked back a bit, but not hidden. vox/drums seem to be at appropriate levels too.

now the criticisms:

the snare is way too loud on the heavier parts, except when you have the heavier vox going around the 4:50 mark. that's my fave part of the song, btw--pretty intense. just need to fix the next two issues and it'll be killer:

the chorus on the vocals is really overkill as well. i don't mind some effects, but you've got that chorus cranked to 11! it really makes it sound out of tune and unpleasant at times.

distorted guitars lack air. i'd back off the distortion, rely on their midrange content rather than highs/lows, and maybe double-track/pan them to make 'em bigger.

and what happened to the rest of the song? it cuts off around 6 min. :confused:

hope this helps. good luck man! :)
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The heavier part with the loud snares...are you talking about the beginning where the song is heavier with no vocals? That's about the opnly part I can hear loud snares. I'm gonna try to patch that up through eqing.
 
Ah, Sooo sorry, Master.
With so much time and energy invested by you in helping others, commenting, suggesting, researching, reading and listening we must remember to set our alarms to address your needs.
Mate, with so little time and effort on the bbs you're lucky anyone responded at all. This is not a private think tank for your convenient ego massages.
What have you done for someone else lately?
You seem to be justifying yourself rather than considering the suggestions.
Mspace is for networking & possibly distributing you stuff (fbook less of the latter) so move somewhere better whilst retaining the space for it's purpose. If you're uploading an MP3 song bigger than 10meg you're probably going to need ELP for crits - don't upload a album side long song - even the classical dabblers don't do that!
Reverb nation isn't quite the pits sonically & isn't easy to operate & it's almost unknown as it's difficult to manage under fbook.
When posting in the clinic think globally BUT consider continental variations as to where your responses will come from.
Oh, & leave off the sexist slurs - after all; you score points for the 1st tanty of the day.
I apologise if I appear to have responded in a manner that would seem, to you at least, hormonally fuelled - but yes the testosterone count rises when someone as inconsiderate & self centered as your self demands attention & then performs the "look at me" dance.
 
rayc said:
Ah, Sooo sorry, Master.
With so much time and energy invested by you in helping others, commenting, suggesting, researching, reading and listening we must remember to set our alarms to address your needs.
Mate, with so little time and effort on the bbs you're lucky anyone responded at all. This is not a private think tank for your convenient ego massages.
What have you done for someone else lately?
You seem to be justifying yourself rather than considering the suggestions.
Mspace is for networking & possibly distributing you stuff (fbook less of the latter) so move somewhere better whilst retaining the space for it's purpose. If you're uploading an MP3 song bigger than 10meg you're probably going to need ELP for crits - don't upload a album side long song - even the classical dabblers don't do that!
Reverb nation isn't quite the pits sonically & isn't easy to operate & it's almost unknown as it's difficult to manage under fbook.
When posting in the clinic think globally BUT consider continental variations as to where your responses will come from.
Oh, & leave off the sexist slurs - after all; you score points for the 1st tanty of the day.
I apologise if I appear to have responded in a manner that would seem, to you at least, hormonally fuelled - but yes the testosterone count rises when someone as inconsiderate & self centered as your self demands attention & then performs the "look at me" dance.
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Justifying myself rather than consider corrections? I've already remixed drums a bit and have also started a soundclick account. Apparently, I consider suggestions when someone actually has decent, respectable suggestions. As for your silly critisisms, the little quarrel you're reffering to happened yesterday and was dead until you just now brought it up. Seems to me, you're just looking to revive a dead horse. I was only inconsiderate in response to someone else's inconsideration, just as I have with you. With so little time and effort on the forum, I'm lucky no one responded at all? Until the first rude response, I was perfectly respectable. If you're any representation of these forums, I honestly wouldn't mind if I had no responses. You could take a lesson from the one and only person who actually posted a helpful and restectable response. He had critisisms and that was fine. What's not fine are arrogant and pompous people reviving silly arguments that were dead.
 
Mull said:
The heavier part with the loud snares...are you talking about the beginning where the song is heavier with no vocals? That's about the opnly part I can hear loud snares. I'm gonna try to patch that up through eqing.
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yep, that's the spot. i was thinking that part repeated once, but apparently not.
 
I've remixed the drums. It's too bad Myspace didnt play the entire song..it builds into a climax. Ill let you know how SoundClick works out. The next song I'll have up isnt nearly as dark or heavy. It's more in the Grandaddy/ old Radiohead vein if youve ever listened to them.
 
Dig the New Breed!
I wasn't reviving anything - I was responding to your impetuousness, your impatience and rudeness.
Drossfile gave a good critique - read your response to it - yours is a justification. Yes you did accept, later, his suggestions re the snare - had too as it was so obvious.
Solaris's comment was dismissed - you didn't even consider that there might be an opportunity to lift the synths at some point for a period of time.
Apart from that - nada!
You didn't really read or digest my comments either, (symptomatic of your approach?), or you're not able to understand them.
I'll put it more clearly:
Reputation and familiarity do have some value & people often respond when they can & to whom they can - often checking out known quantities 1st & dealing with newbies who haven't established a presence through comment or interaction later:
One would expect - given timezone etc that there would be some time lag, even with the best of circumstances, before a response was secured.
"Bumping" is a useful tool when a post has dropped to the bottom of the page & is about to head to page 2:
You bumped & whined (is that the new disco?) after 80mins when the major part of the potential respondents were still unavailable;
Rami used an emoticon to signal that he wasn't attacking you - merely making an important point;
You responded poorly - you hadn't responded to creamyapples at all - when someone reinforced the point you became indignant and aggro (suggests defensiveness based on guilt to me);
I am pompous, but I'm not arrogant;
I could & should take lessons from drossfile in being patient and moderate with the impatient and immoderate but I don't necessarily agree that the impatient & immoderate always deserve it;
You may have noted that before posting I reread my blurb and apologised in advance for any impetuosity - I didn't delete my post because there are things in it that you ought to consider
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We often, (and usually wrongly), forgive great artists their poor people skills but they have to earn our respect as artists 1st.
To finish - I apologise again for any hurt you may have taken from and am heartened by any (as if) self reflection you may have undertaken in your response to my comments.
Now go and find someone to rub your tummy and make it all better.
 
As soon as I read his citique, I considered the snares. How would you have any idea how long it took me to consider his suggestion? Assuming is for the ignorant. Because someone suggests more synth, if I don't automatically say "ok ill do it!", it means I'm dismissive? If I would have said "you dont know what youre talkin about", that would have been dismissive. I have all the synth I want. I never attacked his opinion or belittled it about the synth.

As far as you not commenting about a dead argument, what you did was worse. Rami already stated I was too impatient (in less mature words, but still not as whiny as yours) and the issue had been dropped. I did not bump or complain about timely responses anymore, yet you drudged all this back up. You've done a good job at making this more about petty bickering than music. People like you actually detract from the appeal of forums. The only people who's opinions I'd ever be immediately dismissive of are people who approach as you do. Oh and apologising in advance for something renders apologies meaningless. It's like me apologizing for shooting you in the face and then doing it.

You say I should find someone to rub my tummy because of an annoying forum mite? I think you should be concerned with how much an impatient, yet polite post that wasn't even directed at you got under your skin. So much in fact that you had to type an extensive rant. Those details in mind, I would say you were the one who had the sensitive feelings.
 
rayc said:
As I thought, missed the point entirely.
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All I did was address points made in your post. You actually attempted a few points. I'm drinking jack and coke and playing rock band, so Im feel decently peaceful at the moment. I make music, so I'm inherently humble and meek. If you can't accept that, then my heart is decently hurt. Good night!
 
Hey, Drossfile, I remixed the drums and toned down the snares, but I think the drums may be too low. When you get time, maybe you can give it a listen again and let me know what you think. Maybe the whole thing will play this time. Thanks.
 
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