I need some help on a drum mix(Rock Music)

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I haven't posted or been around in quite some time. I've been back and forth between equipment like crazy. Over the past year I've gone through electronic drums and trying to use those to trigger Superior Drummer 2 which was cool but as with anything that goes to midi notes, loses some of that life that live playing gives you.

Fast forward to now. I'm finally set up with acoustics once again after selling off the edrums and buying microphones, recording interfaces, and the drums themselves. I have a DW Collector's kit which is pretty sweet and some Zildjian A's and K's. I didn't pay as much as one would probably think so I'm not totally crazy.

Ok so here is the song:



I'm using the better audix kit for the main mics, I5 on snare top, D2 on the smaller rack toms, D4 on the larger, D6 on the inside of the kick and a Beta 52a on the outside. SM57 on the snare bottom. Overheads are AT4041's.

Anyway, maybe I'm mixing wrong or something. Here is me just playing with no fx or anything:



Any suggestions? I'm trying to compare the song I just did to some of my older songs I used Superior on. I know it is a different animal but the drums just seem tighter on the superior stuff. In person the drums I have sound great too.
 
The drums sounded fine. I liked the punch on the kick. The snare sounded good, too. The only thing I found wrong with it was the lack of spaciality. Sounded like the whole thing was recorded mono. I found that odd, especially with all the mics used.

Not too shabby. If the acoustic drums don't sound as tight as the MIDI drums, it usually doesn't have anything to do with the recording. It usually means ya just gotta play tighter.

Keep at it!
 
I wasn't really talking about timing, more about definition of the kit. I pan the toms and overheads but only on a 50% field not the whole 100%. Maybe I should try some panning.

I guess technically speaking, it was recorded mono, just many channels of mono because each mic is just one input.
 
Pan that shit man. Big rock songs need big drums. Turn em up too. Big Rock songs need the kick and snare out front. Right when you think the drums might be too loud, turn em up more. I'm personally sick of way too guitar and vocal heavy rock mixes. Bonham and Keith Moon never hid behind no guitar tracks. Bring the drums back to life. Anyway, I digress. Sorry. The raw clip you posted sounded pretty good, but those drums in the full mix get lost. But as mentioned, it's way too mono. We aren't in 1964 anymore. Get you a nice stereo spread and make those drums pump through the mix. With the mics and drums you're using, there's no reason at all why you couldn't get a very usable and maybe even kick ass sound.
 
I went back, panned a bit harder. Did I small amount of EQ work. Also, drastically changed the compression so the cymbals aren't so damn harsh. Overall, I'm pretty happy with it now. It is the same link up top, I just updated the file.
 
monkeymanx said:
I went back, panned a bit harder. Did I small amount of EQ work. Also, drastically changed the compression so the cymbals aren't so damn harsh. Overall, I'm pretty happy with it now. It is the same link up top, I just updated the file.
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Sounds pretty darn good to me. . . yeah, you definitely don't want the harsh hi's of the crashes to blast through the mix.
 
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