I need mixing advice

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I posted questions some time ago about mixing with headphones and was warned by many of you of the hazards of doing so. I took your advice and dragged out an old stereo amp and speakers, and set them up to mix on.

As I mentioned before, I don’t have enough room in my little cubicle, so I placed them on the floor, speakers facing up, on either side of my chair, on stands made of books.
The result was an improved mix, at home, but some unexpected problems when listening to a CD copy on other systems.

At home, in Pro Audio 8, everything sounds balanced, though still thick and muddy in the mids and low-mids. But in the car, or on a portable player through headphones, strange things occur. Here are some examples:
1) All the cymbals are way too loud, all the way through.
2) The lead and background voices are prominent in verse 1 and chorus 1, but hard to hear in verse 2, chorus 2, and the first bridge. Then they are fine for the rest of the song. Same thing with the bass.
3) At the first climactic point of the song, the sound distorts ever so slightly – just enough to sound intentional. But on later dynamic highs it becomes distorted to the point of distraction.

Because I have no mixer and no signal processing equipment, and use only Pro Audio 8’s software equivalents (and editing everything in the event list view) you can imagine what a chore mixing is. Though it is a labor of love, realistically there are only so many hours in a day. I already have over 800 hours invested in this project and am quite anxious to get it finished. I was hoping someone would be able to give me some pointers here.

The other thing is it occurred to me that reference headphones, such a the DT 990 Pros, the K240DFs, or the ATHM40s, might be of some use in EQ-ing individual instruments, and, switched to “mono”, might help me to accurately set levels in the mix, such as cymbals, if not pan and effects. What are your thoughts on this, anybody?
 
Well, I don't know how much more time/effort you're willing to expend on getting the best possible mix, but I can tell you that the advice given by "chessrock" in the following thread is WELL worth reading:
https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?threadid=44840
(there are many other very informative threads out there too...)

Sounds to me like you are likely limited with your monitoring setup you're using w/CWalk in the extreme highs/lows. If you're not hearing the harsh cymbals and muddy low end through your computer setup, it becomes quite difficult to fix what you can't hear while mixing (which is where listening on other reference speakers/headphones comes in). It sounds like you're just going to have to make many mixing/listening iterations until you get it where it sounds good in ALL your reference systems...
The other volume issues you mentioned...are all the track volumes level when you listen to them soloed? If they're not, you need to address the track(s) individually before you can mix them in successfully...but if they are, you are likely experiencing masking issues w/other competing instruments.
And yes...it is ALWAYS a good idea to listen to the mixes in mono to check for phase/pan/other problems...

Best of luck...
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Utah,

Actually, I’m willing to spend however much time it takes. This is my first project and I don’t want to start another one until I get more experienced/efficient. But I’m beginning to think I’m destroying the song for the sake of the mix, if that makes any sense. In other words, it’s getting fuller and cleaner, but somehow the song seems to be disappearing.

You’re right. I am limited – in my monitoring set-up and everywhere else. I made a conscious decision early on not to spend any money on equipment until I could navigate the software quite easily, and until I knew exactly what equipment I wanted to buy. I never expected the second part of that equation to be so complex.

The second mix was a vast improvement over the first, which was done on headphones. Part of the reason for this was because of over-dubs, but a lot of it was due to using speakers and understanding how to make use of the PCI Mixer Volume controls and the recording meters in Cakewalk.
Can you explain what you mean when you ask “are all the track volumes level” when I "listen to them soloed?" Do you mean, do they sound level? Or are you suggesting I solo them while converting MIDI to audio to see whether they register equally on the meter?
They sound good, relative to one another, when listening to them in Pro Audio. But then there are these surprises on the CD.

I think you may have hit the nail on the head when you mentioned “masking issues”. That seems like the most plausible explanation to me. Can you tell me how to deal with that?

At any rate, thanks for the link. I really appreciate your help.
 
Pretty funny...

This is pretty funny. I just finished re-reading that post yet again and here I see you brought it up.

Sonusman may have called his post rubbish, but it's some worthwhile reading, guys.
 
more than worthwhile...

...I've had my proverbial glass-to-the-wall of this BBS for a couple years now, and Ed is without a doubt one of the BEST resources I've had the pleasure to drawn from.

I do remember reading this post some time ago (before it was 6 pages long!). Really, really good stuff there...for ALL levels of expertise.

(btw, thanks Ed!)

(hell, just do a search by author for sonusman and you can't ever go wrong for advice...)
;)
 
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