I know you can record vocals excellently with an SM58...but how ??? <link>?

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Check this guy out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUsWGNnqJ5U
or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh83c_UImD8
Most of his songs are done with an sm58 mic plus in his open room. Not in any fancy vocal booth/ closet etc.
How does he get his vocals so clean??? No point in messaging because i sent one 3 weeks ago and no reply. Hes too damn popular to answer anyway.

I bought a second hand fast track pro but still cant get the same results even though the recording is slightly better.
Im i doing something wrong?
This is how my mic is routed:

mic -> dmp3 -> fast track pro -> line in

Is it how it is mixed or am i missing someother equipment which i dont know about.

Thanks
 
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is this not just

"Need a USB audio interface for my dmp3 preamp to use for mic"????

which was closed a few minutes ago with the advice , go to the newbies section and read?

don't wana sound not helpful, but you're askin the same question over and over right?
 
Steenamaroo said:
is this not just

"Need a USB audio interface for my dmp3 preamp to use for mic"????

which was closed a few minutes ago with the advice , go to the newbies section and read?

don't wana sound not helpful, but you're askin the same question over and over right?
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Please bear with me but this is my last thread on the topic. I just made the thread so i can show you the type of recording quality im aiming towards. It maybe the same but slightly different.....kinda.
 
i didn't watch the video, but i will give you some advice.

if you're seriously interested in home recording/good quality etc etc...

be prepared for two things..


doing more reading the forums than typing on them

and spending more money on recording than your earning from it..


there are no two ways about it. forums are great for specific questions, but general questions like whats a good cheap interface, and what mic should i get with £50 are definitely subjects that you should just read about.


idk, maybe i'm being too harsh? but the info is out there.
 
Steenamaroo said:
i didn't watch the video, but i will give you some advice.

if you're seriously interested in home recording/good quality etc etc...

be prepared for two things..


doing more reading the forums than typing on them

and spending more money on recording than your earning from it..


there are no two ways about it. forums are great for specific questions, but general questions like whats a good cheap interface, and what mic should i get with £50 are definitely subjects that you should just read about.


idk, maybe i'm being too harsh? but the info is out there.
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no offence but i tried your thing. looking around the forums. Funny thing is it came up with my threads because i asked these particular questions.

Ive looked around 100s of products. Most come with software which i dont want. Tried ebay. No results on some specific interfaces. The other interfaces are just the same as my dmp3 so whats the POINT of buying another interface to interface?
Im confused whether its the frigging sound card or whether i need stuff like stereo buses etc.
Already bought a fast track pro usb recently. Doesnt improve the quality by much. So thats a waste of money.
 
The only way to sound like that guy is to be that guy

while mics and pres make some difference a great unique perfformance (and I didn't watch the video so I don't know that that was a great performance) is a great unique performance even if you record it on a cell phone voice recorder.

Mics/pres on the way in and then EQ, Compression and reverb and so on can enhance it but they won't change you and your performance, You can make a great performance slightly better but you can't magically make a bad vocal good (believe me I've tried:laughings:)

I can buy the same vocal chain as Michael Jackson or Bono or that guy from Cold Play or Athlete orBbeck and so on. It won't make my performance any better and I won't suddenly sound just like they do

Also you need to remember that certain mics work with certain voices better than others. Maybe a 58 works great on his voice but not so much for yours. Maybe he works the mic better, maybe he has it positioned better, maybe his room is very good accoustically by chance and your isn't

You need to focus on your sound and what specifically you want to improve. Buying the identical gear as someone else won't make you sound like them even if you were to record in the same room through the same FX. You simply aren't them
 
kratos said:
Ive looked around 100s of products.
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This is the crux of your difficulty...you're focused on the products and expecting one or another to be your salvation.

You can give 10 guys on this forum the same mic, preamp and recording setup...even have them record the same song...
...there will be 10 different flavors and quality levels.
That’s why folks are telling you to spend more time learning rather than asking for a fix.

A hammer doesn't work if you can't hit the nail on the head. ;)
 
kratos said:
Check this guy out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUsWGNnqJ5U
or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh83c_UImD8
Most of his songs are done with an sm58 mic plus in his open room. Not in any fancy vocal booth/ closet etc.
How does he get his vocals so clean??? No point in messaging because i sent one 3 weeks ago and no reply. Hes too damn popular to answer anyway.

I bought a second hand fast track pro but still cant get the same results even though the recording is slightly better.
Im i doing something wrong?
This is how my mic is routed:

mic -> dmp3 -> fast track pro -> line in

Is it how it is mixed or am i missing someother equipment which i dont know about.

Thanks
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I listened to both of those vids: are you sure that that stuff wasn't recorded on better stuff and the mics aren't just video props? I have an SM58 and a top of the line mic pre and if I sing that close to an SM58 it has significant bass proximity effect.

I have an SM58 and never use it in the studio. The only way I can get a clean sound out of it is to be say 6" away from it.

I'd heard the name Justin Beiber before but never heard him sing. When I did listen I had the incredible urge to wrap him in duct tape and drive back and forth over his head with my Chevy. :)
 
dintymoore said:
I'd heard the name Justin Beiber before but never heard him sing. When I did listen I had the incredible urge to wrap him in duct tape and drive back and forth over his head with my Chevy. :)
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Whatsa matter, Dinty, you don't have Beiber Fever? :rolleyes: :p

You are absolutely right, Beiber has probably not released anything actually recorded in an amateur situation on entry-level gear - at least not since he has become the male version of Miley Cyrus for the tweeners. He's got The Big Boys producing him.
kratos said:
This is how my mic is routed:

mic -> dmp3 -> fast track pro -> line in
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Other than the dubious nature of the SM58, the second half of that signal chain is about a basic as you can get. You'll NEVER catch someone like Beiber running through anything even close to a Fasttrack Pro, and combine that with the fact that it looks like you're running that into the line in of your computer sound card, and you honestly have quite a battle just trying to get a clean signal through that signal chain.

G.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
Whatsa matter, Dinty, you don't have Beiber Fever? :rolleyes: :p

You are absolutely right, Beiber has probably not released anything actually recorded in an amateur situation on entry-level gear - at least not since he has become the male version of Miley Cyrus for the tweeners. He's got The Big Boys producing him.

Other than the dubious nature of the SM58, the second half of that signal chain is about a basic as you can get. You'll NEVER catch someone like Beiber running through anything even close to a Fasttrack Pro, and combine that with the fact that it looks like you're running that into the line in of your computer sound card, and you honestly have quite a battle just trying to get a clean signal through that signal chain.

G.
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how can I improve it then? Maudio audiophile, delta breakbox as stated in the dmp3 manual, tascam USB etc?
I'm planning to also get a high end laptop with 4gb ram, Dolby audio, 2.4ghz speed with intel i5 processor. Dunno if this is a good idea. It costs $1000 I think. To beat peeps like justin beiber you gotta help me dude so I can put my recording to justice.
 
kratos said:
how can I improve it then? Maudio audiophile, delta breakbox as stated in the dmp3 manual, tascam USB etc?
I'm planning to also get a high end laptop with 4gb ram, Dolby audio, 2.4ghz speed with intel i5 processor. Dunno if this is a good idea. It costs $1000 I think. To beat peeps like justin beiber you gotta help me dude so I can put my recording to justice.
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Putting on my Nomex jumpsuit before I say this, because it'll start the flames, but have you considered using your budget to record you song in a studio instead of buying a bunch of entry-level gear? Basically I'm talking following Yul Brenner's advice in "The Magnificent Seven"; instead of using your town's money to buy guns, use it instead to buy some gunmen. They're cheaper and more effective.

if you really are into this for the hobby of home recording and not just getting your tracks out there, then I'd say don't worry about getting a fancy computer, it won't make your recordings sound any better. Use that money instead to get your room sounding good, put a much better quality microphone into it, and run that mic through halfway-decent preamp. You could easily spend that $1000 and more just getting that far.

And don't even try to beat Beiber (unless you mean beating him physically ;) ). He's got a record contract that puts him in studios and gear that probably cost more than your house and car put together, run by some of the most expensive gunmen money can buy. It's good to have a goal to shoot for, but be happy with sounding close to his style, maybe, but beating his quality is kind of unrealistic given the circumstances.

G.
 
kratos said:
mic -> dmp3 -> fast track pro -> line in
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Why in the world are you running into the line in of your computer with an interface? Use the USB connection it offers. That's the whole point of a USB interface. It has its own preamps in it so why are you using the DMP3? Start without the DMP3 and learn how the Fast Track sounds before adding more hardware.

There's no way to know that what you see in the video represents the actual details of the recording process. They are lip-syncing to their own finished recordings and could be using any mic just for the look. Don't assume you can get similar results using what's shown in a video. Also don't assume you can get similar results with your voice and performance ability. If an SM58 is all you have then work on your skills to get the most out of it. It can sound pretty decent with a good singer and the right eq. Eventually you can try some other mics and find something better suited to your particular voice.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
Putting on my Nomex jumpsuit before I say this, because it'll start the flames, but have you considered using your budget to record you song in a studio instead of buying a bunch of entry-level gear? Basically I'm talking following Yul Brenner's advice in "The Magnificent Seven"; instead of using your town's money to buy guns, use it instead to buy some gunmen. They're cheaper and more effective.

if you really are into this for the hobby of home recording and not just getting your tracks out there, then I'd say don't worry about getting a fancy computer, it won't make your recordings sound any better. Use that money instead to get your room sounding good, put a much better quality microphone into it, and run that mic through halfway-decent preamp. You could easily spend that $1000 and more just getting that far.

And don't even try to beat Beiber (unless you mean beating him physically ;) ). He's got a record contract that puts him in studios and gear that probably cost more than your house and car put together, run by some of the most expensive gunmen money can buy. It's good to have a goal to shoot for, but be happy with sounding close to his style, maybe, but beating his quality is kind of unrealistic given the circumstances.

G.
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Tbh I won't have a home since I'll be off to college in September. But I'm determined to finish a 5 track ep and put it out there since I can't really then record once I'm in college either than actually go to a recording studio which unfortunately will be in London (uk). I have the initial instrumentals (i've said this a million times now) and I just need to record the cursed vocals. So in this case I can't really soundproof my home which I won't use for the next 3 or 4 years! and yh my home will be sold once I'm out since my parents will be retiring in a foreign country, so yh I gotta do all this in 2 months in my current vacation time. I'm doing this because of personal reasons. So which equipment should I get as state in my earlier post to you?
 
bouldersoundguy said:
Why in the world are you running into the line in of your computer with an interface? Use the USB connection it offers. That's the whole point of a USB interface. It has its own preamps in it so why are you using the DMP3? Start without the DMP3 and learn how the Fast Track sounds before adding more hardware.

There's no way to know that what you see in the video represents the actual details of the recording process. They are lip-syncing to their own finished recordings and could be using any mic just for the look. Don't assume you can get similar results using what's shown in a video. Also don't assume you can get similar results with your voice and performance ability. If an SM58 is all you have then work on your skills to get the most out of it. It can sound pretty decent with a good singer and the right eq. Eventually you can try some other mics and find something better suited to your particular voice.
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I know I've wasted money so in extra carefully now to select Whig equipment I need. I tried with the fast track pro itself but still little diff. I just need to know whether I should go ahead and buy an maudio audiophile/delta breakbox or tascam intf
 
dude. you're going round in circles...



foget line in
forget dolby audio



i recommend (as many other's have) that you buy an interface of your choosing, based on the wealth of information that's available here.


you record with either a 58 or a new mic of your choosing, based on the wealth of information that's available here.


you go MIC -> DMP3 -> Interface(usb) ->Computer
 
For me the biggest improvement would be to get the best mic you can afford. There's no other single piece of the chain that will affect the outcome more than the mic.

As far as mics, I'm a broken record, I tell everybody to buy a U87 and be done with it. But there's people who have recorded great vocals with cheap mics, so in the end what matters is the marriage between the mic and the singer. :)

There's been a lot of threads here on this site from people who ask which mic, which mic for under $100, under $500 etc so maybe do a search for some of the threads about that.
 
bouldersoundguy said:
Why in the world are you running into the line in of your computer with an interface? Use the USB connection it offers. That's the whole point of a USB interface. It has its own preamps in it so why are you using the DMP3? Start without the DMP3 and learn how the Fast Track sounds before adding more hardware.

There's no way to know that what you see in the video represents the actual details of the recording process. They are lip-syncing to their own finished recordings and could be using any mic just for the look. Don't assume you can get similar results using what's shown in a video. Also don't assume you can get similar results with your voice and performance ability. If an SM58 is all you have then work on your skills to get the most out of it. It can sound pretty decent with a good singer and the right eq. Eventually you can try some other mics and find something better suited to your particular voice.
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I know I've wasted money so in extra carefully now to select Whig equipment I need. I tried with the fast track pro itself but still little diff. I just need to know whether I should go ahead and buy an maudio audiophile/delta breakbox or tascam intf
 
What are you monitoring on?

You can't record if you can't hear. So...Can you hear?
 
That first video is suspect - it's possible that they are lip synching over tracks recorded with better mic(s) and wwho knows what equipment. They are singing without any headphones on so how are they monitoring?
I'd say you're being duped.

Now back to your original question. Yes buy all that equipment and if it doesn't make a difference then sell it on eBay.
 
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