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I havent been around long enough to know if this has been hotly debated? however, since it has the words Behringer and Studio projects I imagine it has!....

if this was a previous war then I apologize for re-hashing it. I understand behringers practices of out right copying but, have these two mics been involved in a head to head shootout by an "ACTUAL" user (not by just a hater!) what was the outcome, cuz damn they look like twins!

B-5 http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=20949&Category=Microphones

C-4 http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=6679&Category=Microphones
 
Bobalou said:
I havent been around long enough to know if this has been hotly debated? however, since it has the words Behringer and Studio projects I imagine it has!....

if this was a previous war then I apologize for re-hashing it. I understand behringers practices of out right copying but, have these two mics been involved in a head to head shootout by an "ACTUAL" user (not by just a hater!) what was the outcome, cuz damn they look like twins!

B-5 http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=20949&Category=Microphones

C-4 http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=6679&Category=Microphones
The grilles are different which can affect the higher frequencies from what I understand, and who knows about the 'lectronics - may be entirely different. Best I remember, the frequency graphs are different, whatever that information's worth.
 
Bobalou said:
I havent been around long enough to know if this has been hotly debated? however, since it has the words Behringer and Studio projects I imagine it has!....

if this was a previous war then I apologize for re-hashing it. I understand behringers practices of out right copying but, have these two mics been involved in a head to head shootout by an "ACTUAL" user (not by just a hater!) what was the outcome, cuz damn they look like twins!

B-5 http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=20949&Category=Microphones

C-4 http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=6679&Category=Microphones

I basically asked about this a few months ago and still waiting for an answer.
 
My guess is 797 Audio in China is making both... too bad we don't have someone from 797 Audio here that we can trust to answer these types of questions once and for all.
 
DJL said:
My guess is 797 Audio in China is making both... too bad we don't have someone from 797 Audio here to answer these types of questions once and for all.

A person from 797 would surely clear up a lot of questions around here. They may be lurking. LOL

Come out 797 peeps. We welcome you !! LOL
 
797 makes a slew of mics.

It is my understanding the Studio Projects mics are made by 797, but built to SP's design and specs. IMO, it would be a mistake to assume another mic is the same as the C4, based solely on looks. If the price is radically less, I'm willing to bet the quality is too.

My next mic purchase is going to be a set of C4. The ebay vendors don't offer any better price than 8th Street, so I'll buy from 8th Street and sleep better.
 
bgavin said:
797 makes a slew of mics.

It is my understanding the Studio Projects mics are made by 797, but built to SP's design and specs. IMO, it would be a mistake to assume another mic is the same as the C4, based solely on looks...

I agree. I do not believe they are the same mic. Furthermore, it would be easy enough for someone to get ahold of both mics and look inside themselves. That would answer the question definitively.
 
It IS made at the same factory and Behringer did appear to rip it off from SP, except for the things I noted above. Until someone gets them both, LISTENS to them, checks the circuit, etc... we won't know for sure.

Behringer could have meticulously copied the whole design and then compromised one capacitor type (just one!) to save a penny or two, and ruined the entire sound.

One thing's for sure, they've already compromised the grille by using an inferior design (why??), so I'm betting other things were compromised as well. But I reiterate, we won't know until...

BTW, if anyone's waiting for someone from PMI to come here and say that the Behringer mic is inferior, don't hold your breath. That’d be like them handing you a red-hot brand that reads “SPAM”, dropping their drawers, and bending over. :rolleyes:

Why not call Behringer and ask them about it? I bet we can trust them! ;)
 
Funny,

They both just look like, small diaphram condensors to me. Theres probably 30 or more that have those traits on the market.
 
musical5 said:
Funny,

They both just look like, small diaphram condensors to me. Theres probably 30 or more that have those traits on the market.

you're right, but since they're both somewhat made by 797 audio I thought there might be more to the fact than just looking alike!
 
musical5 said:
Funny,

They both just look like, small diaphram condensors to me. Theres probably 30 or more that have those traits on the market.

Well...sure, but there's also the timing of it. There are plenty of sdcs out there. And then there are some of them that are sold specifically as stereo pairs...

And then there was the C4, which ships with both cardioid and omni capsules and feature pad and low cut. And what happens right after that? Behringer puts a press release on a B5, comes with cardioid and omni capsules, and has a pad and low cut. Even if it's not made in the same factory or speced the same, the feature list definitely says something...

Sure, there are only so many concepts in the mic industry, and there certinaly is a point of absurdity out there (OMG! WTF!? Company X released a side-address LDC!) but I don't think it's so absurd to say that the release of the Behringer B5 relied more than a bit on the release of the SP C4...
 
Behrenger has a publicized reputation for breaking down, so I won't be buying there gear anyway.

My next purchase will be a pair of C4, unless I win the lottery.

:D

Then it will be AKG C480B or the full set of Audio-Technica AT4049, AT4051, AT4053 SDC. I'd like to have a set of hypercardioid SDC.
 
Is it me or do we spend too much time debating the merits of Chinese mics???

Let's make some music. :)
 
<Behringer could have meticulously copied the whole design and then compromised one capacitor type (just one!) to save a penny or two, and ruined the entire sound. >

Father of one of my students, who once worked for David Hafler, told me that Mr. Hafler used to fight with his emploees when they were getting screws for three pennies when in another place they could get it for a penny.

The C4 comes in matched pairs, which additionaly increases the cost. I am actually interested in B5 review and want to know if it has the same capsules as C4. For its price I'd get a couple and (Flatpicker--this one for you :p) squize a tube inside.
 
Perhaps Alan Hyatt can chime in about capsules.

It would be illuminating to know if the Studio Projects capsules are his design and exclusive to his SP line, or a generic 797 Audio product and used widely.
 
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