Hr-16 Help

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Its been around 10 years since I've used my HR-16. I thought I would remember but I guess "old-timers desease" has set in.
Heres what I've gotten myself into: I did a recording useing the HR-16 as a click track AND I recorded a sync tone on track #24 HDR 24. As it turns out the click track was 16th notes and the artist started on beat #7 ! I cant seem to find the default patterns ( maybe there aren't any, remember old-timers desease) I told the client that with the sync tone we can build drum tracks.
Well when I play back the 24 track machine the HR-16 starts ok but no patterns. I dug up the old HR-16 / MMT-8 book but can't find anything. I used to use this a lot back in the analog days, and I remember going from one pattern to another like verse to the bridge then to the chorus useing the inc buttons switching from patt #1, to patt #2, to patt #3, then back to patt #1.
I guess I am not thinking too well as I am under pressure to get this resolved
any one have any ideas. I would like to convert the recorded sync tone to 1/4 notes and I would like to find 4 beats (count off ) before the song begins. As it is the sync tone starts about 30 seconds before the song actually starts
Does anyone remember the HR-16 ?
 
I have an HR-16 that I use quit a bit. I'm affraid there are no default patterens, I learned this the hard way. You may have to reconstruct the pattern you used and then add the 4 count click at the beggining.
 
The HR16 should have come from the factory with patterns programmed into it. They would have been in the same memory locations that are used for your own patters, though. If they're not there, they're not there.

I have a file hanging around on my computer which I've never used, but I think it is a sysex dump of the default patterns. I've tried to attach it in a zip file, along with a Word document that explains how the sysex files work.

For what it's worth, it would be pretty easy just to program in a pattern, rather than using a default pattern.
 

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the problem i am having is that when I play back the tone off of the 24 track machine, the HR-16 starts just fine but any patterns that I try to program in are going too fast. When I laid down the tone ( and click ) the click was in 1/8 notes and when the song started, it was on beat #7. maybe it wasn't 1/8 notes but 8-8 time sig. because you can hear the accent on one, every 8 beats. anyway the song started on beat #7. so how can I program (or change) the sync tone (already recorded) to 4-4 time and make beat#7 be beat #1. thanks for the reply
 
I'm not sure I totally follow, but: it's pretty simple to program so it's at whatever tempo you want.

Let's say what you want is an 8-beat (two measure) pattern:
Code: 
1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4
B - S - B B S - B B S B - B S

If it's playing twice as fast as you want, make it into 16-beat pattern:
Code: 
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
- B - S - B B S - B B S B - B S

If you want beat 7 to be beat 1, create a part that's 6 beats long and insert it at the front. To do this, you'll probably want to create a "song," which is a string of parts.
 
I think you're starting to understand my problem. Now how ( useing the already recorded sync-tone ) do I chang the 8-8 time sig to 4-4 ? In other words when I start the 24tr machine, and the HR-16 automatically starts, I see on the HR-16's LCD screen 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 etc and the song starts on 7 . For the sake of trying something I erased 1-2- so 3-4-5-6- would be the equiv of 1-2-3-4 and as far as the clicks go not including the accent on 1 I could treat them as 1/8th notes but this can get confusing when assembling different patterns for different parts of the songs. This is starting to blow my mind, I used to use this and the MMT-8 all the time,, must be "oldtimers desease" your help is appreciated
 
by the way, the tempo is already set and is fine. It's just the count or time signature I want to change
 
I guess I'm still not sure what you're asking.

Eight beats is, I think, the standard pattern length. I've always thought of it as two measures. The built-in click voice should go: 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4. Of course, you can change the length.

Maybe there's some confusion over patterns and songs. If you're in "pattern" mode, the machine will just repeat the same pattern over and over (or until you change it with the buttons). If you're in "song" mode, it will play a song -- a series of patterns, which can be different, or the same one repeated or whatever.

I don't know if this is what happened, but maybe it is. You played the built-in click voice (going 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4) and had a musician play along with it. He started at "7" (i.e. 3 of the second measure). and played all the way through, treating the emphasized beat as "3," rather than "1." Now you want to write a single one-measure (4 beat) pattern that will play, repeating, all the way through the song.

If so:

- Program your 4-beat pattern in as, say Pattern 01. Set the length to 4. Then program it. You can do this by stepping through beat-by-beat (or half-beat-by-half-beat, or whatever -- set the quantization interval).

- Make Pattern 00 into a 6-beat-long empty pattern. Just set the length to 6 and don't program anything in. If you want a four-beat lead-in, program a snare hit (or a side-stick, or whatever) onto beats 3, 4, 5 and 6. You can delete these later if you want, so when you do a final mixdown there's no lead-in.

- Create a song with the following patterns: 00 01 01 01 01 01 01 .... (put in enough 01s so it will play all the way to the end of the recording).

- Set it up so the HR16 plays the song you created in time with the sync code. You want "Click in Play" (I think that's what the menu item is called) set to "Off" -- so you hear your drum patterns, not the built-in click sound.
 
OK I think you've got it. The click has the accented 1 then 2,3,4,5,6,7,8 then the accented 1 again . I'll give it a try again this weekend and I really appreciate your help Thanks
 
One thing just occurred to me: I believe that you can set the click to different "values." Possibly you've set it to 1/8 notes (i.e. two clicks to each "beat"). The display should still show the count of beats, though, so I'm not sure if that's what happened.
 
sjjohnston

sjjohnston said:
The HR16 should have come from the factory with patterns programmed into it.

For what it's worth, it would be pretty easy just to program in a pattern, rather than using a default pattern.
Click to expand...

The patterns which came with the HR-16 are excellent "starters"...you can even use parts of them. Thanks to you zip, I was able to reload my old HR-16. I had long ago lost the tape.

John
 
Chance,

First I downloaded the file.
Next, I unzipped it.
Then I imported the.syx file into Cakewalk.
Last I sent it out to my Alesis via midi, as sysex.

file

John
PS. sjjohnston had put the file above on this thread.
 

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