How to get minimal hi hat bleed in the snare mic?

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I've been using a Latin Percussion mic stand that clips on to the rim, and I can get perfect mic positioning for rejection of the hi hat. I've tried using small baffles, they seem to work decently, also. So how do you guys go about this? I know there's gotta be some other things to try...

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I like to take complete advantage of the cardioid pattern on my 57s. I have mine set up like this and it isolates pretty well.
 

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I'm by no means a highly expeirienced engineer, but I;ve never had problems with the hats bleeding into the snare mic. In a right handed drummer configuration, I put the snare mic about 3 inches up and out from the rim of the snare at about the 10 o'clock position, pointing down at the impact area of the head and making sure it isnt directed at the floor tom as well. With the hats at about 9 o'clock in regards to the snare, the hats are almost directly behind the mic and are no problem. Now snare bleed into a hi hat mic is a whole other ball game which I cannot help you with as I never have needed to mic the hats.
 
Dang I just looked at hoky's pic again and it pretty much illustrates what I just said. Disregard that last post.
 
fenix said:
...(it's also way better than a 57)

whoaa!!!! them are fightin' words!! (and some seriously subjective ones at that!!)
 
stop the bleedage!

i use the same setup as you. i have a clamp on my snare for micing. if u want to completely ELIMINATE any bleedage from ur hihat, try and find a unidirectional mic. if u only have an omnidirectional, try and point it as far downwards as you can. raise your hihats the highest u can BEFORE the point where theyre too uncomfortable.
if ur still getting bleedage and u cant find an omnidirectional, there are some other things u can do. (it depends on what exactly the problem that the bleedage is causing you.) if your problem is that ur hats are too loud because theyre bleeding into other mics amplifying the volume level that your actual hihat mic is at, then just turn down the volume level of your actual hihat mic. that way you will be balancing it out, because the hats are getting volume from other mics anyways.
personally i dont mind if every piece of my set is bleeding into one another (sometimes) because it gives the set a more full sound and makes it sound like all one instrument. having each piece perfectly seperated from one another gives it more of a dead or focused sound (if thats what you want but....) it sounds not as together and more like each piece is a different instrument or track.

so to sum it up, raise ur hats as high as u can b4 theyre too uncomfortable to play, point ur snare mic as far downwards as u can (sometimes using a stand is better, seeing as the clamp has less positioning optoins), or try to find a unidierctional mic on ur snare or whatever pieces u want perfeclty seperated. (perfect seperation IS nearly impossible, but u can try).

Good luck!
Jay, The master of home recording.
 
I don't have a special drum clamp,so I just use a boom.I set the mic (usually a 57) on the hi hat side pointing into the drumhead from about 2-3" away and angled into the drummers body to use that as a baffle.
 
I would use all the other suggestions then I would use a gate procress on the snare when mixing the track. You never want to just fix things in the mix but if your are still having bleed after you reconfiqure you mics then gating the snare will help as well.
 
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