How should I do ?

[asegai]

Hey everyone,

First I guess I'd better introduce myself since I'm new here.

So.. My name is Tiago, and I'm a guitar player from Portugal that in a week will be recording and producing an album for his friends and because of that I came to you. I'm needing some tips!

It is a Alternative/Hardcore/Metal band, we have mics and stuff but I don't really know the correct order to record (what is recording first and after). Once we tried to record one song. We record the guitars, then de bass, drums and voice and I guess that is the correct order in general cases mas since I'm not sure I found that it was best to ask.

The second thing is how to record!

We are going to use this lady -> http://www.musicstore.com/en_EN/EUR/-/art-PAH0003515-000
the cubase SX3 and a laptop.

After that how sould he record de guitars and bass? Last time he did we connect them directly to the mixtable but I was told that we better mic the amp, so the question is. What way is better? And if having the mic point to the amp is the one, in what position should the mic be?

Then the drum. Recording the drum I guess will be the hardest thing, the last time it sound awful, he use regular mics but anyway awful! So now he have mics and once again in what position sould they be?

The voice I guess it will be easy, one mic for the singer, connected to the mixtable and that's all I guess. But if i'm wrong please tell me!

Well for now it's all. Sorry for boring but I'm really needing help!

I let you here the myspace of my band, it shows the best thing I record to the moment :O

http://www.myspace.com/leechthispeach

 

[Ronan]

I do not mean to be rude, but are you sure that it is the right time for you to be doing this? Making a good sounding record is an art that requires a good understanding of the process. Is there anyway that you could find a local guy with some experience to help out with this? I have made hundreds of albums and I still feel like I am trying to figure it out.

By the way: Recording guitars with a mic in front of the amp is the way to go.

 

[asegai]

What we are goint to record will be like an EP, not an album, something to put on myspace to show to friends and get the people from outside the friend's group to know the album.

Okay thanks ; )

 

[greyharmonix]

i guess i just say the obvious since no one else has done it. You can research these simple questions on your own in this forum and you'll probably find the answers you're looking for. No one wants to take the time to tell you how to do everything. It would take way too much time. Second, that mixer that you picked out is a PA mixer it's not meant for recording. It's 300 watts! think about it. There are a lot of basic stuff you need to research.

if you have cubase that can act as your mixer. it's just on your computer instead of having actual knobs, and you'll need a soundcard (look that up if you don't know what that is). As far as micing things and the order of what to record. there are alot of options and it mostly depends on the song. Usually for rock songs i record a guitar track to a metronome click and then record drums. Then rerecord all the instruments around the drum tracks. Go to the drum forum for ideas on how to mic a drum kit.

good luck

 

[joeym]

For someone who obviously knows almost nothing of the recording process, "produce" is a very big word. I don't want to seem rude either, but most of us here have taken a few years to learn how to do this to at least achieve "respectable" quality. You want to learn everything in a couple of days??? Face up to it, this is an art and the learning process is a bit longer than that. Sorry.

 

[mixsit]

For someone who obviously knows almost nothing of the recording process, "produce" is a very big word...

And if one were too expand on that a bit; wouldn't your roll as 'producer in that case (not being a recordist' your self) be to hire someone who is and delegate that task?

 

[Muyukiguki]

Try not to let the discouraging words deter you from delving into the world of home recording, which has pretty much consumed all of our lives... That being said, you've definitely come to the right place for advice, but it seems like you need to do a little more research before you tackle a project like a full band EP. I'd start off using the search function using keywords like; soundcard, interface, drum mics, recording process, ect... Park yourself in front of the computer for a few hours, and print off everything you think that you won't remember. Good luck, and have fun!

 

[Rokket]

... and none of that will do you any good if you don't know how to achieve the sound you are after. That'll take lots and lots of practice. Years of practice, actually.

Good luck with your endeavors. In the end, you may want to just hire a studio.

 

[lomky]

well, everyone needs to start somewhere, and this is where you are starting from.

so, hook up the mics, hook up the sound card and hit record. Just don't expect, and don't let the band expect that the result will be anything close to "pro".

You gotta understand you are asking VERY basic questions that will have VERY complex answers. I suggest you buy this book: http://www.amazon.ca/Modern-Recordi...=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1244144958&sr=8-2

Good luck!

 

[jcaro10894]

I am not a pro by any means, but I usually record the drums and bass first. Then I can (and the other musicians) use these as a guide for their parts. You could also record a tempo track/click that could be used for a guide. Another option is to just have everyone play while you record from the PA speakers and/or some room mics. You really don't give yourself much flexibility this way but you can get it recorded. All your musicians have to be tight or it can get frustrating. Like others are saying experiment. You will find what works for you.

 

[RAMI]

Try not to let the discouraging words deter you ......

Really?

it seems like you need to do a little more research before you tackle a project like a full band EP.

That's the exact same fucking thing everyone else said, that you labelled as "discouraging".

 

[asegai]

Well I'm sorry for didn't show up again!

So we started recording and with my mixtable, Yamaha MW 10.

This lady : P - http://www.yamaha-europe.com/pictur...s/usb_products/usb_products/mw10_high_jpg.jpg

We first recorded the drums with 4 mics only - 1 in the bass, 1 in the snare and 2 overheads. (i'm sorry if i'm using the wrong names, but I', not sure how they are called in english).

Then we recorded the guitar, micing the amp

And since the bass player wasn't there we recorded the voice.

And the finally result was this:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=968516&content=music

It is just a sample, we are going to record again, but we are very satisfied and suprised with the quality with can get!

Apart of some feedback about where we can improve I'm needing help in other thing. I was told that using my mixtable and recording with Cubase (we are alreayd using it) in recording I can get separated tracks. For example when recording the drums I can have in a track the bass, in other the snare, etc. I hope you are understanding me. The problem is I don't know how to do It so I'm needing someone to explain that to me please, it's really important!

Thanks

 

[The Cancers]

I don't know that particular mixer, but the way they usually work is they send the whole mixed signal (four microphones on drums get mixed down into two stereo channels, Left and Right).
For recording individual mics onto seperate tracks straight into your computer, you need this sort of thing:
http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.co...dioMIDI-USB-2.0-Computer-Interface?sku=245002
Not necessarily that one, but a computer audio interface. Hope that helps. Good luck.