how "low" do you cut it?

[A1A2]

I have always thought we should cut everything off at least below 80-100hz on every instrment&vocal except for bass and kick.

Ok, so I did it. Sounds thin on my Tannoys, but I know Tannoys are bass-shy anyway. So, I did a test, acoustic guitar and vocal, cut everything below 90-100hz, played it back in my car with no bass boost. Guitars sound thin, and vocal sounds boxy....
Boost the bass on my car system, sound almost acceptable (bass-wise), but less definition

Now I'm confused I thought 80hz and below can only be heard by our body, not ears, but why is there such a sonic difference to my ears??

BTW, I used waves 3band EQ and Timeworks EQ.


Al

 

[Son of Mixerman]

Nope. 20hz is about the lowest on average...gets worse as you get older. 80hz cut usually get rid of certain rumbles and proximity effect from mics. If you have been cutting 80hz on everything it should sound thin. Only cut to remove the rumblings and trim a little here and there on certain instruments to maintain good frequency balance.

SoMm

 

[muttley]

Humaniods can actually hear down to about 40hz or so. Atmospherical disturbances of 35hz or so, and lower can be felt in their chest cavities.

 

[A1A2]

Nope. 20hz is about the lowest on average...gets worse as you get older. 80hz cut usually get rid of certain rumbles and proximity effect from mics. If you have been cutting 80hz on everything it should sound thin. Only cut to remove the rumblings and trim a little here and there on certain instruments to maintain good frequency balance.

SoMm

WHat have I done? No wonder I keep getting disappointed with my Tannoys, thought they were not producing enough bass...cuz I cut the all.

So, 20-40hz is about where our bodies start picking up the "hearing" instead of our ears?

Thanks

Al

 

[moskus]

Humaniods can actually hear down to about 40hz or so. Atmospherical disturbances of 35hz or so, and lower can be felt in their chest cavities.

If you play a 20 Hz wave on headset, you can hear it. Or at least you should be able to...

 

[Jeyan]

I think tannoy's Frequency response is from 65 Hz - 20 kHz, you won't hear lower frequencies than 65hz in them, hope good headphones should respond

 

[moskus]

Awww, please don't mix with headphones! It's not good, get a sub instead....

 

[Son of Mixerman]

Humaniods can actually hear down to about 40hz or so. Atmospherical disturbances of 35hz or so, and lower can be felt in their chest cavities.

Im a neandertal...the hair on my body allows me to sense frequencies below 20hz. In fact....my nipples are barometers!

SoMm

 

[mixsit]

Hmm.. I'd like to throw in another view on this.
While cutting lows in a great tool to fix problems and clear up clutter in the bottom, what about the concept of not adding things to tracks that don't need fixing? An EQ on every track?


Where it seems Low cut is often not used and is needed in a big way, is in live sound (club and mid level, not so at bigger concerts) where techs seem loath to trim up a vocal mic.
Never quite got the rationale on that.

wayne