"HIPHOP" Art or Poison?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Trumpspade
  • Start date Start date
Trumpspade

Trumpspade

I'M BLESSED.......
This is only for those interested, I know many choose not to entertain the thought, but a segment on that topic will be running on CNN @ 8pm ET tomorrow (Thurs). It's not about agreeing or not, but I find it interesting to see how others view things and why. So I just thought I'll mention it to those interested!

Peace!
 
yea im a check that out also...... here's somethin interesting also its basically bill o'reilly bashing ludacris and hip hop again..... its just crazy to me how the media is quick to point out the flawess and bad things in hip hop, which in my opinion arent all flaws they just dont understand them, yet they almost never talk about the good that comes..... here's the link to the bill o'reilly video im talking about....

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.4897/title.bill-oreilly-blame-hip-hop-again
 
bknot1 said:
gotta remeber to check it out..
Click to expand...

It was last night Knot.
It was okay, it touched on subjects regarding the current state of hiphop vs back in the day and how it evolved. Well, actually how it has gotten worst promoting violence and exploiting women. They had Chuck D on in the beginning giving his opinion, they had Michael Eric Dyson breaking down what he called "Media and other Corporate Companies" using rappers to their advantage, just to pull in the urban community.
My whole things is: There is a difference between Hiphop and Rap. Hiphop was a lifestyle (B-boy clothing, breakdancing, battling, ) within the genre of Rap. Rap today has spread out to include many different sounds. The Rap game changed when the Govt introduced crack cocaine to the streets LA in the mid 80's, NWA kicked off, New Jack City was in affect, and Gang turf battles of territory for slanging purposes was once again re-established. That changed HIPHOP into just plain RAP. Drug money financed many record companies, that was just a facade to continue to keep pumping drugs in the community while establishing ties in the industry. But at leat there were some talent around. Unlike today it's all about who you know, or if you fit an image that a company is trying to promote! Now it is watered down to garbage!!!!
 
you said Thursday..but i sure i can catch it again..

on the real Drug had nothing to due with hip-hop or rap..it was there before Hip-Hop was a genre of Music..yes Dope Dealers (some go legit) use labels now to front their business..but the dope game has always been here..

It changed when 2 Live Crew won its censorship court case..and NWA took it to another level..

but you are right..now-a-days you have to fit a image for the labels..and have a bit of talent to perform..
 
Man it was on last night? You said thursday....lol..

I'ma have to catch the replay.
 
Rap is a style of music within the hip-hop culture. Not the other way around. The drug game added another element to rap music but it wasn't the end of the hip-hop culture. Yes, the government is out to get you........
 
Change of POETS said:
Man it was on last night? You said thursday....lol..

I'ma have to catch the replay.
Click to expand...

My bad! I'll find a link relevant to it.

But Knot, what I am saying is "Crack" changed the Rap game! Gangsta Rap became created as a result of Crack cocaine hitting the streets. Well, that is my knowledge of it. That is when it went to another level containing bloodshed as opposed to MC battles and straight beatboxing. I know we are close in age, but I remember the transformation from the late 70's early '80's when it was fun, to around 85'-86' when it became ill. Many Drug Delaers (top level) began flooding the Business to gain control of the streets. Hiphop originally was a safe avenue to vent your frustrations in a musical format. Gangsta rap, I think, had a direct correlation to the violence that Crack brought to the inner city. Me and my homie argue this all the time, I will never say that I am right, I never read this somewhere. But I feel it is directly related to elevated crime activity in our hoods, they think not! But I respect everyone's opinion, even yours Cuz! :D
 
Mixxit12 said:
Rap is a style of music within the hip-hop culture. Not the other way around. The drug game added another element to rap music but it wasn't the end of the hip-hop culture. Yes, the government is out to get you........
Click to expand...

I disagree Homie!
Rap isn't a style of music within hiphop. Hiphop, in the musical sense, is one of the most original form of rap.

West Coast Rap
East Coast Rap
Dirty South rap
Bubble Gum Rap :D :D :D
Gangsta Rap
Midwest Rap
Are all different forms of rap........

Hiphop was a different category lyrically. And you also had to dress the part, walk the part, and basically live the part. Hiphop Music, to me, was an era. I won't be like Nas and say hiphop is dead. But most of the music we hear today, I don't consider it hiphop, I consider it a different category of Rap. It's just my opinion, so I am not speaking from the point that I have done research and such. Just my own BS!
 
Trumpspade said:
I disagree Homie!
Rap isn't a style of music within hiphop. Hiphop, in the musical sense, is one of the most original form of rap.

West Coast Rap
East Coast Rap
Dirty South rap
Bubble Gum Rap :D :D :D
Gangsta Rap
Midwest Rap
Are all different forms of rap........

Hiphop was a different category lyrically. And you also had to dress the part, walk the part, and basically live the part. Hiphop Music, to me, was an era. I won't be like Nas and say hiphop is dead. But most of the music we hear today, I don't consider it hiphop, I consider it a different category of Rap. It's just my opinion, so I am not speaking from the point that I have done research and such. Just my own BS!
Click to expand...

I hear what you're saying but then how do you define the culture that surrounds rap and other urban music? I think Hip Hop, as a culture, started with breakin' and grafetti, and B-boys and such. It's grown into much more than that; including rap music, DJs, fashion, style, language, attitude, etc.

I can see where you're coming from with defining it as a style within' rap. There are a lot of styles of rap, and there was a day when the word Hip-Hop was pretty much exclusive (at least to the majority of society) to rap. So I feel that too. It appears we could both be right!

So give me some examples of what you would consider hip-hop rap.
 
"Rap is something you do, hip hop is something you live" - KRS-One

Hip hop is the culture that encompasses the elements, of which, rap is but one.
 
Mixxit12 said:
I hear what you're saying but then how do you define the culture that surrounds rap and other urban music? I think Hip Hop, as a culture, started with breakin' and grafetti, and B-boys and such. It's grown into much more than that; including rap music, DJs, fashion, style, language, attitude, etc.

I can see where you're coming from with defining it as a style within' rap. There are a lot of styles of rap, and there was a day when the word Hip-Hop was pretty much exclusive (at least to the majority of society) to rap. So I feel that too. It appears we could both be right!

So give me some examples of what you would consider hip-hop rap.
Click to expand...

I think we both are right in a sense!

As far as me giving you an example of hiphop rap: I'm not sure that I can! I think the earlier forms of rap was part of the hiphop culture, which was what you mentioned (The clothes, the dance, the slang, the music, the whole 9) I think when we listen to Afrikka Bambata and Sugarhill, up to Run DMC and LL, up to BDP and UTFO, that was an era of dress, MC/Break/Pop battles, and B-boy lifestyle. That all encompassed Hiphop! Hiphop was all of that it was Fashion, attitude, and Lifestyle. What we have today is Spinoffs from what once was. Sean John, Rocawear, Phatfarm,and G Unit is EXPENSIVE clothing from rap sources, but Lee Flava Jeans, Adidas(Sneaks and sweatsuit), Gazzels, and Kangols was a taste of hiphop. We have come a long way, but there is nothing Hiphopish about SJ, Roca, and Phatfarm,GUnit. I guess you're more considered a Baller if you rock todays fashion vs a hiphop head!
I don't know! I can speak on this all day, but it's not fair to beat a dead horse. We both have the same outlook in certain areas, but we differ in small sections. But I like the feedback you have!

Peace bro!
 
Hip Hop is . . . Making Sense out of a senseless world [GrandMaster Flash: the message & Ludacris: Runaway Love . . . Tupac: Brenda's Got a Baby . . .rap is . . . celebrating success amidst the obstacles you can't avoid . . . "throw some d's . . . riding flats . . . etc


I strive to make sense . . .
I guess today, living single is a whole different world when
We got Wife and Kids, n still mingle wit girlfriends
its just the facts of life, i give em to u in living color
we slackin on our servings of soulfood for supper!
whats happenin now, even in good times we still suffer
but dont be foolish, youngin - BAPS manipulate wit sex
even a love jones can have some ricochet effects . . .

-------I am coming back . . . and will finish my album!!!! this song will be felt!!!!


------but im sick of our hip hop dignitaries who can only recognize em cees (as opposed to rappers) from their own era/region as em cees as if no other region or era has emcees
 
GullyJewelz is back in the building


whats good homie
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top