Help with guitar tone

[Woustudios]

Live my rig sounds great but I can't seem to capture it in a recording.

Lets start with my gear and "recording settings".
-Peavey 6505+ Pre Gain: 2.5, EQ: Low: 3, Mid: 6, High: 4, Post Gain: 2.5, Resonance: 2, Presence: 8
-Mesa 4x12 Oversized Rectifier
-BBE Sonic Stomp(through the fx loop) - Lo Contour: 4, Process: 7
-Maxon OD808 - Overdrive: 9:00, Balance: 2:00, Tone: max
-ISP Decimator - Threshold: -30

Guitar: Agile Septor pro 727

Mics: 2x Shure sm57. One on center cap, the other cap/cone area

I would post a link but since this is my first post on here I'm not allowed and that's dumb but if you feel like doing work to listen to my recording you'll have to go to sound cloud and type in woustudios and there is a mp3 of guitars only

 

[Armistice]

Just chat amiably for a few posts and get your post count up so you can post a link..

What exactly is wrong with the sound that you're getting?

 

[mjbphotos]

Ok, where are you sending those mic signals - interface to a computer (what DAW?) or a stand-alone recorder?

 

[Woustudios]

recording chain is as follows
-Tascam us-1800
-Radial x amp
-Maxon OD808
-ISP Decimator
-Peavey 6505+ (sonic maximizer in the fx loop)
-Shure sm57
-Tascam us-1800
-Cubase 5

I was using 2 mics on different speakers but I went back to 1 to see how it sounds. I'm going to re-amp tomorrow and I'll post that.

The sound I'm getting isn't horrible, I've heard worse but it's not something I would personally call good either, I'm looking to get a more polished and ballsy tone. I think my tone right now may have too much high end but that't probably due to micing on the cap.

 

[Telegram Sam]

I think that it is better to simplify wherever possible.

For instance, one mic is pretty standard,
then you need to find out through trial and error the
best place to put it.

I would first get your amp / guitar sounding the way you
want it, and then work on capturing the sound with the
SM57, which should work fine.

 

[soundchaser59]

Lets start with my gear and settings......

-........Presence: 8
-........Mid: 6
-........BBE Sonic Stomp - Process: 7

There is a good place to start. That is a ton of mid and hi mid frequency boost! Presence on 8 AND a BBE Sonic Stomp with (hi process) on 7?? No wonder it sounds too bright.

Your "live" sound may sound great to your ears in a room standing 10 or 20 feet away from the speakers, but microphones are not ears and they are not 10 feet away. You do not need a sonic stomp to get a good recording. I thought this before I listened to your clip, and what I heard in the clip has, imo, waaaayyy too much presence or hi mid in it. It would be very hard to listen to that tone for any length of time.

If you are going to use 2 mics, then in my opinion it won't do you any good to use 2 identical mics. If you want to phatten up the tone that gets recorded, use two different mics. Nothing fills in the gaps in that bright sound like a Sennheiser E906.

If you can isolate your guitar speaker, then listen to the sound coming thru the monitors and tweak your rig according to that. You will get better results if you tweak your sound for recording first, then use that sound for live (turn it up louder, don't make it brighter)......instead of tweaking a live sound and then trying to record it. Every article I've read about big names recording, they all say the sound that gets recorded is usually very different from the sound that gets used on stage.

 

[Woustudios]

I posted a new version just now. I took out the sonic maximizer and dialed back the presence a bit. I went to a single mic, and moved it back a few inches and aimed it away from the cap.